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Ted I see your hand up. Would you like to pitch in? Yeah, a question. This is Ted Haberman from metadata game changers. And I had a question for Olivia. I think you made a statement at right at the end saying that you are currently focusing on ORCIDs. And I wonder if you might. You're either you or Ted might elaborate on what you're doing with ORCID and how it's working or what, what, what resources are good or I'm just about to start actually at the end of this week, an ORCID project with somebody.
So I'm hoping that you can make it easier for me. And Ted, feel free to chime in. But what we're doing with orchid, currently, we're continuing the services that we provide right in the past. So we usually do workshops just to engage people with signing up for orchids, as well as just continuing the knowledge around ORCID.
And that can be with graduate students, with researchers on our campus. And then currently we have a group of librarians as well as. Previously it was other stakeholders on campus. So members from our Office of research who would gather and talk about the ORCID membership and how to utilize it and ways that would really benefit the campus. So that group has been reconvened recently.
And we're really talking about how we can integrate ORCID and the systems that we use on campus. So we have been looking at the oj's integration, the dx space integration. We really want single sign on with orchid, but with. Kind of how the University is operating. A lot of things are now being centralized to just Indiana University in general.
So that includes Bloomington. We have like Indiana university, East Columbus, like we have a number of different campuses regionally and we all use the same single sign on system. So it's working with our partners across campus to make that a reality, which is taking a little bit. I guess, longer than we have anticipated. So that's just currently how we're utilizing it in terms of engaging with our researchers on campus.
Ted, I don't know if you have anything to add. Olivia I'll just add, Olivia has been using the affiliation manager that we have access to through our ORCID membership, through lyricists to help just start to gather some data about who on our campus has publicly accessible organ profiles. It's a little tricky at IUPUI because there are each faculty member could have a different email domain. Some are IUPUI faculty over in our medical school, which is on our campus, are Indiana.
So it's quite a task to begin to sift through the data and properly identify which faculty are affiliated with our campus. But Olivia's been doing some good work with the affiliation manager to do that. Thank you, guys. You guys both say that acronym very smoothly and I'm envious. Thanks, Ted and Ted.
So so, Bonnie, just wanted to bring you into the discussion. It was exciting to hear about blockchain and so forth and. And I think you had mentioned that it is being deployed and that was of interest to me. But based on your research and experience using the technology, can you speak to where you sit anyway? What you believe the most promising use cases are for applying or deploying blockchain in science, in the scientific workflow in general?
And your thoughts on that? Why, why, why and where, I suppose? Well, what we found and I just want to say this has been a three year project where the group that I am working with and I want to thank Andrea for her opening comment. I'm not a technology person, but I love this whole idea of how the technology can be used in research.
So I got on the team, but I served as the I, the organizer, the writer, the question asker, the interviewer, et cetera but what we found over the past few years in our interviews is that, number one, it can be used at every step. Every step can benefit from it. That doesn't mean that your specific use case on that step, that it's the ideal solution. But and but we are finding it's heavily used in step one where you want to, in a sense, patent your idea, patent your data because of the time stamping for which the technology was originally created.
And it's heavily used in the last step, publishing and data sharing, because again, you have the proof of ownership and you can determine who has access to the data that you have noticed on the blockchain. And the actual experimentation is really where it shines because you can hash to the chain who did the experiment, what their qualifications were to do the experiment, what machinery they used, and what the history of that machine is.
Again, what are the credentials of the person to use that machine? I mean, it just really is helping to allow reproducibility in science. And that has been a problem all along, especially if you're basing it on data in journals and the peer review process. So and every time we turn around, we're finding out somebody using it for a new use case.
That's why we're going to continue the process is going to be a long term project as the technology evolves. Yeah and and that's very helpful. And any, any early advice that you'd give to anyone considering the use of the technology? If everybody we spoke to, yeah, no matter what country they came from, no matter what step they were using it for, said do your homework first.
I can imagine. Yeah know what the problem is. How the technology can help and do a whole cost analysis. That's and that's been. Yeah 100% solid answer all along. And and do you have you're hoping for the white paper to come out this year I think you mentioned. Oh, I'm actually doing the executive summary. This week.
We hope to wrap it up, get it into peer reviewed next month. I want to be able to give this out at the world chemistry Congress. Its at the Hague in August so I want it well ahead of print before then and hopefully in print by then. That's exciting. Wonderful and is it going to be open access so everybody can get a copy? Great great.
Well, I approve from where I sit. Wonderful to be here. And John, assuming you're on the call, it'd be good to hear from you as well. Open Athens. This has come on so, so much in recent years and so forth. And, you know, there's so many, so many challenges in terms of delivering Federated access between publishers, libraries and end users.
And so forth. And you've spoken to some of them. Can you tell us about them? You're excited about the future. Are there any is there anything in particular that you're particularly excited about or are there challenges? What are the key, certainly key challenge that on the horizon that you'd like to speak to.
You actually see John on the call right now? No, I was about to say it wasn't. I thought he was there. But now I don't see him. I don't see him right now. He may have he may have dropped off for some reason, but. OK, we can check. But I don't see him right now. So I was about to preface that by I'm assuming he's still on the call, but maybe not.
But just coming back to the beginning with Andrea and rogin, can you speak to any of the ills that fulfillment has worked with so far? Can you share some of that experience? Yeah, so a lot. But our tightest connections are, of course, with evergreen, which we share shares a large code with evergreen and then Koa, because they're both open source products.
And as I said earlier, it's much easier to write against those. But all of the sideloading scripts that Rogan talked about, we have battle tested them against ogre. And now we're going to have to correct me on some of these. Let's see, we've got various live products, including Sierra polaris, Millennium. There's mama. Yeah, Primo, I think as well.
Circe dynamics. Both unicorn and symphony or was unicorn a different iteration yet? And I know that I'm leaving some out, so I'll toss that over to Rogan for the ones that I might have forgotten. Well, we support right now through sideloading anything that'll export mark in a standard format. Micro leaf, mark, XML, us, mark, any of those, any flavor of we support.
But as Andrea said, the best. Support has really been with other open source illnesses because we don't have to go through ndas and levels of obfuscation and we can do all the cool stuff that the open APIs allow us to do. So yeah, we support all of them, but it's nice to be able to go that extra mile. And then looking at the big picture, this is all about ultimately supporting community equity, I suppose, in terms of.
Right, because people talk about the digital divide a lot and I actually don't like that term. I think it's an opportunity divide and I think it's much more complicated than just saying who does or doesn't have access to certain kinds of technology. It's about a broad range of opportunities. Yeah no. Very interesting.
Did you want to add anything to that, Andrea or. I was just going to say my perspective, my library experience prior to coming to Equinox was in a small and rural library. And, you know, for a rural and isolated community, resource sharing interlibrary loan was really like a lifeblood for so many of our patrons to get things that were outside of our scope of collection development, to expose them to new ideas, to just get things that were.
And that's kind of the genesis of our title, a tiny library with a million volumes. Our local collection could only be physically so large that we had resources to the access to resources the entire state of Maryland, including the University system that really allowed us to show our rural patrons a whole other part of the intellectual world. And that's just something that resonates very deeply with me about this work and these opportunities.
Yeah, it is exciting. So, Olivia and Ted, can you speak to what other opportunities might exist for libraries to adopt and advocate for open and transparent practices in their current existing or I am infrastructure. Sure so. I think it's really important that institutions own the data about their faculty and their research.
And I think one of the best ways we can do that is by making it open and relying on open infrastructure for us right now. Orkut is a big piece of that. We're hoping to eventually create an open bibliography of our faculty's research. One of the ways we have explored this in the past is leveraging Wikidata to create an open bibliography of our faculty's research.
But Olivia, you probably have other ideas to. I guess. I guess it's more of an idea because we haven't really. Done the work yet, but we are envisioning of doing sort of like a RIMS data inventory of what's happening on our campus. So like we mentioned in our presentation, a lot of this work is happening in these different silos on campus or these different areas.
And with that work comes like this purchase of different systems that might be filling in like a need for like a certain department, but there might be gaps in that system, or the data that's coming out of the systems isn't fully complete or fully capturing all the work of our faculty members just because we have a lot of scholars on our campus that do a lot of community Gage research, and we really want that to be captured or kind of promoted because that work is very important.
So we're hoping that if we do an inventory and we kind of map out where all of these like research information management data sources are on our campus, as well as eventually find out how much money is being spent on them. We can start to have conversations with stakeholders that have more purchasing power with these systems and really kind of showcase that like, hey, the system is doing this work.
There might be a similar system that's more open and more aligned to the goals of like. The library as well as the University. And kind of navigating that conversation in order to kind of promote or shift that culture. So that we can get that fun funding to more open systems. Thanks just on that score, I mean, do you have any. Any early sense about what areas of the University should be contributing or should be contributing.
When we talk about research, information management, infrastructure. Yeah so I mean, Ah, we've had a good relationship locally on our campus with our Office of the Vice Chancellor for research, as well as academic affairs, have contributed financially to our ORCID membership. And so I think looking to those groups going forward, you know, as we all know, library budgets are small and getting smaller every year.
So I think we'll need to build and strengthen our partnerships across campus to support these initiatives. That's very helpful. Any any. Thanks thanks, Ted. Any any. Any other questions? Any anyone else want to chime in or. Check in here.
Any of the speakers to take issue. No takers. Steve, I just want to add something because the focus of our whitepaper was science. So that's kind of and I'm a chemist and IUPAC is the chemistry organization. But we found that basically almost every industry is adapting some usage to blockchain.
And there was a report that crossed my desk while I was writing up the clothing that almost all of the top 100 global companies are using it for some administrative back back office purpose to save money. And it's really those cases that really do help you save time and save money. So don't be caught up in what is, quote, the hype of blockchain and all of that and ignore it because it's associated with Bitcoin.
It has nothing to do in many ways with Bitcoin. As I said, the technology and group of technologies predated it by almost 20 years. So and even that the recent cryptocurrency scandal that took place at the end of last year, that's a financial use case. It's not a use case in back office issues. And there was a book that the American Library Association put out, I think it was in about three years ago on blockchain and the potential for libraries.
So, you know, just look into it if you're curious about it. Yeah, right. Those are good points. I mean, you sort of think of in the popular imagination, we usually associate it with cryptocurrency or I suppose maybe supply, possibly supply chain. Supply chain. The supply chain is a big one IBM uses it has been for years using.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. And there's a new one that's out now for drug supply because so many of the drugs are illegal or are being made and they're not safe for use. One of the guys on our team runs artifact. He's a co-founder and he's working with one of the universities on a supply chain for pharmaceuticals. But as you know, as you just described it, it's decentralized, trustless immutable.
You can imagine that by definition would have could have some very practical uses. Yeah across with the link to the ala edition. Oh yes. Thanks Yeah. He is thinking about in the chat. I have a very small amount of disclaimer in that I wrote part of it. Well done.
Yeah thank you very much. And apologies, but yes. No, no, no, no, no apologies needed in this company. Thanks thanks, Jason. And then there's the best piece, the best paper in the decision making for the blockchain as well. So that's very helpful. Thanks, Jason. So OK.
Well, Thanks, everyone, for taking time out on your Valentine's evening to spend some time together talking about these issues. And if there's nothing else for now, you can get 15 minutes back of your time to enjoy your dinner. I will. I will say, for those of you that have any interest at all in the next couple of sessions, they are extremely good.
I was I happen to be the one recording them. There's a couple of late night, late sessions for us here in the US about how standards organizations are working together and about multi-language metadata, both of which are extremely interesting, really, really great speakers and some unusual perspectives. So if you have an opportunity to be up and see those, please, please do join us because it's going to be a fun conversation. So yeah, otherwise we hope we'll see you tomorrow.
We'll do. Yep Thanks. Thank you very much. Thanks Bye bye for now. Hi thank you.
Segment:0 .
Ted I see your hand up. Would you like to pitch in? Yeah, a question. This is Ted Haberman from metadata game changers. And I had a question for Olivia. I think you made a statement at right at the end saying that you are currently focusing on ORCIDs. And I wonder if you might. You're either you or Ted might elaborate on what you're doing with ORCID and how it's working or what, what, what resources are good or I'm just about to start actually at the end of this week, an ORCID project with somebody.
So I'm hoping that you can make it easier for me. And Ted, feel free to chime in. But what we're doing with orchid, currently, we're continuing the services that we provide right in the past. So we usually do workshops just to engage people with signing up for orchids, as well as just continuing the knowledge around ORCID.
And that can be with graduate students, with researchers on our campus. And then currently we have a group of librarians as well as. Previously it was other stakeholders on campus. So members from our Office of research who would gather and talk about the ORCID membership and how to utilize it and ways that would really benefit the campus. So that group has been reconvened recently.
And we're really talking about how we can integrate ORCID and the systems that we use on campus. So we have been looking at the oj's integration, the dx space integration. We really want single sign on with orchid, but with. Kind of how the University is operating. A lot of things are now being centralized to just Indiana University in general.
So that includes Bloomington. We have like Indiana university, East Columbus, like we have a number of different campuses regionally and we all use the same single sign on system. So it's working with our partners across campus to make that a reality, which is taking a little bit. I guess, longer than we have anticipated. So that's just currently how we're utilizing it in terms of engaging with our researchers on campus.
Ted, I don't know if you have anything to add. Olivia I'll just add, Olivia has been using the affiliation manager that we have access to through our ORCID membership, through lyricists to help just start to gather some data about who on our campus has publicly accessible organ profiles. It's a little tricky at IUPUI because there are each faculty member could have a different email domain. Some are IUPUI faculty over in our medical school, which is on our campus, are Indiana.
So it's quite a task to begin to sift through the data and properly identify which faculty are affiliated with our campus. But Olivia's been doing some good work with the affiliation manager to do that. Thank you, guys. You guys both say that acronym very smoothly and I'm envious. Thanks, Ted and Ted.
So so, Bonnie, just wanted to bring you into the discussion. It was exciting to hear about blockchain and so forth and. And I think you had mentioned that it is being deployed and that was of interest to me. But based on your research and experience using the technology, can you speak to where you sit anyway? What you believe the most promising use cases are for applying or deploying blockchain in science, in the scientific workflow in general?
And your thoughts on that? Why, why, why and where, I suppose? Well, what we found and I just want to say this has been a three year project where the group that I am working with and I want to thank Andrea for her opening comment. I'm not a technology person, but I love this whole idea of how the technology can be used in research.
So I got on the team, but I served as the I, the organizer, the writer, the question asker, the interviewer, et cetera but what we found over the past few years in our interviews is that, number one, it can be used at every step. Every step can benefit from it. That doesn't mean that your specific use case on that step, that it's the ideal solution. But and but we are finding it's heavily used in step one where you want to, in a sense, patent your idea, patent your data because of the time stamping for which the technology was originally created.
And it's heavily used in the last step, publishing and data sharing, because again, you have the proof of ownership and you can determine who has access to the data that you have noticed on the blockchain. And the actual experimentation is really where it shines because you can hash to the chain who did the experiment, what their qualifications were to do the experiment, what machinery they used, and what the history of that machine is.
Again, what are the credentials of the person to use that machine? I mean, it just really is helping to allow reproducibility in science. And that has been a problem all along, especially if you're basing it on data in journals and the peer review process. So and every time we turn around, we're finding out somebody using it for a new use case.
That's why we're going to continue the process is going to be a long term project as the technology evolves. Yeah and and that's very helpful. And any, any early advice that you'd give to anyone considering the use of the technology? If everybody we spoke to, yeah, no matter what country they came from, no matter what step they were using it for, said do your homework first.
I can imagine. Yeah know what the problem is. How the technology can help and do a whole cost analysis. That's and that's been. Yeah 100% solid answer all along. And and do you have you're hoping for the white paper to come out this year I think you mentioned. Oh, I'm actually doing the executive summary. This week.
We hope to wrap it up, get it into peer reviewed next month. I want to be able to give this out at the world chemistry Congress. Its at the Hague in August so I want it well ahead of print before then and hopefully in print by then. That's exciting. Wonderful and is it going to be open access so everybody can get a copy? Great great.
Well, I approve from where I sit. Wonderful to be here. And John, assuming you're on the call, it'd be good to hear from you as well. Open Athens. This has come on so, so much in recent years and so forth. And, you know, there's so many, so many challenges in terms of delivering Federated access between publishers, libraries and end users.
And so forth. And you've spoken to some of them. Can you tell us about them? You're excited about the future. Are there any is there anything in particular that you're particularly excited about or are there challenges? What are the key, certainly key challenge that on the horizon that you'd like to speak to.
You actually see John on the call right now? No, I was about to say it wasn't. I thought he was there. But now I don't see him. I don't see him right now. He may have he may have dropped off for some reason, but. OK, we can check. But I don't see him right now. So I was about to preface that by I'm assuming he's still on the call, but maybe not.
But just coming back to the beginning with Andrea and rogin, can you speak to any of the ills that fulfillment has worked with so far? Can you share some of that experience? Yeah, so a lot. But our tightest connections are, of course, with evergreen, which we share shares a large code with evergreen and then Koa, because they're both open source products.
And as I said earlier, it's much easier to write against those. But all of the sideloading scripts that Rogan talked about, we have battle tested them against ogre. And now we're going to have to correct me on some of these. Let's see, we've got various live products, including Sierra polaris, Millennium. There's mama. Yeah, Primo, I think as well.
Circe dynamics. Both unicorn and symphony or was unicorn a different iteration yet? And I know that I'm leaving some out, so I'll toss that over to Rogan for the ones that I might have forgotten. Well, we support right now through sideloading anything that'll export mark in a standard format. Micro leaf, mark, XML, us, mark, any of those, any flavor of we support.
But as Andrea said, the best. Support has really been with other open source illnesses because we don't have to go through ndas and levels of obfuscation and we can do all the cool stuff that the open APIs allow us to do. So yeah, we support all of them, but it's nice to be able to go that extra mile. And then looking at the big picture, this is all about ultimately supporting community equity, I suppose, in terms of.
Right, because people talk about the digital divide a lot and I actually don't like that term. I think it's an opportunity divide and I think it's much more complicated than just saying who does or doesn't have access to certain kinds of technology. It's about a broad range of opportunities. Yeah no. Very interesting.
Did you want to add anything to that, Andrea or. I was just going to say my perspective, my library experience prior to coming to Equinox was in a small and rural library. And, you know, for a rural and isolated community, resource sharing interlibrary loan was really like a lifeblood for so many of our patrons to get things that were outside of our scope of collection development, to expose them to new ideas, to just get things that were.
And that's kind of the genesis of our title, a tiny library with a million volumes. Our local collection could only be physically so large that we had resources to the access to resources the entire state of Maryland, including the University system that really allowed us to show our rural patrons a whole other part of the intellectual world. And that's just something that resonates very deeply with me about this work and these opportunities.
Yeah, it is exciting. So, Olivia and Ted, can you speak to what other opportunities might exist for libraries to adopt and advocate for open and transparent practices in their current existing or I am infrastructure. Sure so. I think it's really important that institutions own the data about their faculty and their research.
And I think one of the best ways we can do that is by making it open and relying on open infrastructure for us right now. Orkut is a big piece of that. We're hoping to eventually create an open bibliography of our faculty's research. One of the ways we have explored this in the past is leveraging Wikidata to create an open bibliography of our faculty's research.
But Olivia, you probably have other ideas to. I guess. I guess it's more of an idea because we haven't really. Done the work yet, but we are envisioning of doing sort of like a RIMS data inventory of what's happening on our campus. So like we mentioned in our presentation, a lot of this work is happening in these different silos on campus or these different areas.
And with that work comes like this purchase of different systems that might be filling in like a need for like a certain department, but there might be gaps in that system, or the data that's coming out of the systems isn't fully complete or fully capturing all the work of our faculty members just because we have a lot of scholars on our campus that do a lot of community Gage research, and we really want that to be captured or kind of promoted because that work is very important.
So we're hoping that if we do an inventory and we kind of map out where all of these like research information management data sources are on our campus, as well as eventually find out how much money is being spent on them. We can start to have conversations with stakeholders that have more purchasing power with these systems and really kind of showcase that like, hey, the system is doing this work.
There might be a similar system that's more open and more aligned to the goals of like. The library as well as the University. And kind of navigating that conversation in order to kind of promote or shift that culture. So that we can get that fun funding to more open systems. Thanks just on that score, I mean, do you have any. Any early sense about what areas of the University should be contributing or should be contributing.
When we talk about research, information management, infrastructure. Yeah so I mean, Ah, we've had a good relationship locally on our campus with our Office of the Vice Chancellor for research, as well as academic affairs, have contributed financially to our ORCID membership. And so I think looking to those groups going forward, you know, as we all know, library budgets are small and getting smaller every year.
So I think we'll need to build and strengthen our partnerships across campus to support these initiatives. That's very helpful. Any any. Thanks thanks, Ted. Any any. Any other questions? Any anyone else want to chime in or. Check in here.
Any of the speakers to take issue. No takers. Steve, I just want to add something because the focus of our whitepaper was science. So that's kind of and I'm a chemist and IUPAC is the chemistry organization. But we found that basically almost every industry is adapting some usage to blockchain.
And there was a report that crossed my desk while I was writing up the clothing that almost all of the top 100 global companies are using it for some administrative back back office purpose to save money. And it's really those cases that really do help you save time and save money. So don't be caught up in what is, quote, the hype of blockchain and all of that and ignore it because it's associated with Bitcoin.
It has nothing to do in many ways with Bitcoin. As I said, the technology and group of technologies predated it by almost 20 years. So and even that the recent cryptocurrency scandal that took place at the end of last year, that's a financial use case. It's not a use case in back office issues. And there was a book that the American Library Association put out, I think it was in about three years ago on blockchain and the potential for libraries.
So, you know, just look into it if you're curious about it. Yeah, right. Those are good points. I mean, you sort of think of in the popular imagination, we usually associate it with cryptocurrency or I suppose maybe supply, possibly supply chain. Supply chain. The supply chain is a big one IBM uses it has been for years using.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. And there's a new one that's out now for drug supply because so many of the drugs are illegal or are being made and they're not safe for use. One of the guys on our team runs artifact. He's a co-founder and he's working with one of the universities on a supply chain for pharmaceuticals. But as you know, as you just described it, it's decentralized, trustless immutable.
You can imagine that by definition would have could have some very practical uses. Yeah across with the link to the ala edition. Oh yes. Thanks Yeah. He is thinking about in the chat. I have a very small amount of disclaimer in that I wrote part of it. Well done.
Yeah thank you very much. And apologies, but yes. No, no, no, no, no apologies needed in this company. Thanks thanks, Jason. And then there's the best piece, the best paper in the decision making for the blockchain as well. So that's very helpful. Thanks, Jason. So OK.
Well, Thanks, everyone, for taking time out on your Valentine's evening to spend some time together talking about these issues. And if there's nothing else for now, you can get 15 minutes back of your time to enjoy your dinner. I will. I will say, for those of you that have any interest at all in the next couple of sessions, they are extremely good.
I was I happen to be the one recording them. There's a couple of late night, late sessions for us here in the US about how standards organizations are working together and about multi-language metadata, both of which are extremely interesting, really, really great speakers and some unusual perspectives. So if you have an opportunity to be up and see those, please, please do join us because it's going to be a fun conversation. So yeah, otherwise we hope we'll see you tomorrow.
We'll do. Yep Thanks. Thank you very much. Thanks Bye bye for now. Hi thank you.
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