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Keynote Live - The Japan Science & Technology Agency's Moonshot Goal
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TODD CARPENTER: Good evening. Good morning, depending on where you are in the world. My name is Todd Carpenter, executive director of NISO. This is our day three keynote with Dr. Norahiro Hagita. Before we get started, I want to just run through a few things. We know- we've structured the program intentionally to engage our friends and colleagues in the Asia-Pacific time zones.
TODD CARPENTER: We intentionally tried to be more welcoming and engaging of the scientific community and the library community, information science professionals in that space. There is a lot of amazing work being done in Japan, in China, in Australia, New Zealand, throughout the Asia-Pacific region. And I want to highlight some of that.
TODD CARPENTER: Not only for the American audience and get some people participating a little later in the evening for us. But most importantly, to make that connection between those two communities. Which, unfortunately, often leads to our friends and colleagues having to suffer through midnight sessions, or late in the evening sessions, to engage with European or North America.
TODD CARPENTER: So it is critically important, I think, that we acknowledge that and do what we can to reach out and engage that community. Which is why we've extended the hours of NISO Plus into the evening in the east coast to make sure that we can get that kind of engagement. As this is the last morning session for Asia-Pacific, I just want to highlight a few things before we get started with Dr. Hagita-san's talk.
TODD CARPENTER: The first is I'd like to thank the program committee who have helped put together NISO Plus 21. It was an incredible, incredible group of people who contributed their time and effort and expertise and connections around the world. We had eight different countries represented on the program committee. In particular, I'd like to highlight three of those people.
TODD CARPENTER: Christopher Chan at the Hong Kong Baptist University, Natasha Simmons at the NRDC in Australia, as well as Nabuka Miahiri, who's a consultant in Japan. Particularly want to call out Naboku for her participation and her reaching out and arranging the talk with Doctor Hagita. We are also continuing the conversations that take place here at NISO Plus the NISO discourse site where we want to highlight and continue some of the conversations and ideas that are raised during NISO Plus in an asynchronous manner.
TODD CARPENTER: Here's a QR code. It's also at discourse.nisso.org Please join in the conversation. We, as of this afternoon, had something like 350 people continuing the conversations on that discourse server. We will be continuing those conversations and, hopefully, opening up that discourse to more than just the NISO Plus attendees.
TODD CARPENTER: Kind of create a living community for conversations around the topics that have been discussed here at the meeting. Also want to highlight if you want to stay in touch with NISO, here's another QR code. Or another Bit.ly link It's bit.ly/subscribe-niso. This gives you an opportunity to get more information about all of the things that NISO is doing.
TODD CARPENTER: Stay in touch with different working groups or different activities within our community. So please, do take a few moments. Stay in contact with NISO. We really appreciate the involvement of people from around the world in our work. And this is one of the easiest ways to be informed about the things that we're doing. Finally, we do want to highlight that we want your feedback.
TODD CARPENTER: We will be distributing a short survey on Monday. This has been an experiment. Just like NISO Plus 20 was an experiment in a new in-person event, this is a new virtual event. And we would so appreciate your feedback in terms of how well it's worked, problems that you've experienced, any issues. We found that this is a successful environment.
TODD CARPENTER: But of course, we need your experience since you're on the receiving end of this program. And so getting your information and feedback is going to be critical to what we do next. And so before I pass it over to Rhonda Ross to introduce Dr. Hagita-san, I would like to thank all of the people in the Asia-Pacific region who have been involved and engaged in NISO Plus.
TODD CARPENTER: We realize that NISO might not have the kind of name recognition or engagement from the Asia-Pacific community, in large part because we've constrained ourselves to our own time zone. Which is something that we desperately want to change. And we will be changing. We want to be a more inclusive organization. We want to be more engaged internationally.
TODD CARPENTER: And engagement can happen at multiple levels. None of our working groups have meetings in person. Almost every single group has virtual meetings. We were kind of primed for a pandemic world within NISO, long before the pandemic because of the structure in which we operate. That gives us the opportunity to bring in voices from around the world.
TODD CARPENTER: And people have participated in NISO projects regardless of your location. You do not have to be domiciled in the United States to be participant in one of NISO's working groups. And the things that we do are widely applied internationally. So first of all, please reach out. Engage.
TODD CARPENTER: You don't have to serve on a working group to engage. Responding to our public comments, our public documents, our public drafts for public comment. That is another way in which you can engage. You don't have to be a member. You don't have to be specifically participating in one of our groups to make a public comment. And that's one way in which you can add your voice to the standards development process that we have, regardless of your status.
TODD CARPENTER: Regardless of where you are. It's more about engagement. It's more about interaction. Please do stay involved as I mentioned the discourse website. Continuing the conversations there. But always, also, feel free to reach out to the NISO staff, the NISO board, any of us if you have issues, problems anything you'd like NISO to solve.
TODD CARPENTER: Any conversations you'd like us to get going. So with that, from my perspective, I want to thank you all. Thank you so much for joining us. And now I am going to pass it on to Rhonda Ross from the American Chemical Society and a member of the NISO board of directors. Rhonda? Thank you, Todd.
TODD CARPENTER: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. The American Chemical Society is very proud to once again sponsor the NISO Plus conference. And it's my great privilege and honor to introduce our next keynote speaker, Dr. Norihiro Hagita. Dr. Hagita is chair and professor of the Art Science department of Osaka University of Arts. He also serves as the research supervisor in Japan science and technology agencies Crest Research Programs on intelligent information processing systems.
TODD CARPENTER: Creating co experience, knowledge, and wisdom with human machine harmonious collaboration. Dr. Hagita is the program director of the JST Moonshot Gold Program One. Realization of a society in which human beings can be free from limitations of body, brain, space, and time by the year 2050. He's also a member of the Science Council of Japan.
TODD CARPENTER: And I'm sure you'll join me with great anticipation in welcoming Dr. Hagita to NISO Plus 2021.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Good evening, everyone. And thank you for giving a wonderful opportunity to present this very exciting Japanese Moonshot Project program. The title is Moonshot Goal One and I would like to briefly introduce these programs. Especially why a focus- we just focus on the realization of a society in which human being can be free from the limitations of the body, brain, space, and time by 2050.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: I am Nori Hagita from the Osaka University of Arts in Japan. Thank you for joining to that is my presentation. And Moonshot R&D program is a very, very bold new program for creating disruptive innovations. It is decided by plenary session of the Council for Science and Technology and Innovation.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Sometimes we call the CSTI in government. And also the Ministry of Education Culture, Sports, Science, and technology. And also the I just contributed to the JST, Japan Science and Technology agency, JST in Japan. That these institute contributed to this program about what we would attack the challenges facing in the future society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: As ambitious goal oriented research project leaping beyond the limits of the conventional technologies, without fear of failure. The Japanese people always concerning our worst fear of failure. But this program just try to develop the new technologies without out fear of failure.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: All Moonshot goals are consistent with those seven calls currently. I just contributed to the goal one. And also the JST contributed to the goals one, two, three, and six. And goal one just to focus on the free from limitations of the body, brain, space, and time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And goal two just focus on the ultro-early disease prediction and interventions. It's a very promising project. And goal three directly to the AI robots. So sometimes goal one and goal three mutually communicate with each other to create a new kind of order.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Creates the new synergy of the AI robots and avatar technologies. And goal six is a little bit different, but still very important the technology. Is fault-tolerant universal quantum computer. In the world, and also the United States, are very important technologies related to the goal six.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So let me explain about why do we start the Moonshot Goal One program. To overcome the challenge of declining birth, and aging populations, and associated labor shortage. We are facing like that this is demography of aging rate in Japan.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Our final goal is in 2050s, maybe beyond the 65 years old. The number of the people over the 65 years old is almost the same as the ages of 15 to 64 in 2055.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so we have to- the social system should be changed, especially the pension systems. Or the social adjustment might be the changing dramatically. So we have to think about the new paradigm. So we just set up this ambitious programs, the Moonshot goal, to overcome the challenges of declining birth rate, and aging population, and associated labor shortage.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: A key technology is to realize that society free from the limitations of a body, a brain, and space, and time. And allow people with various backgrounds and the various. That means such as the elderly and those with the responsibilities for nursing and child care. To allow these people to actively participate in society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And this is a very, very typical example of our vision of the society in 2050s. So you can see the very strange avatars. We call the cybernetic avatar. So the cybernetic avatar technology will make work and play more accessible for everyone.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So to understand the cybernetic avatar, I will show you several scenes. This scene one is related to the disaster relief. More than 1,000 cybernetic avatars operated by teleoperations perform on a large scale and complicated mission in disaster sites.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Can you imagine that? But in my case I experienced a big earthquake in San Francisco when I was staying at Berkeley in 1989. At the time, the Loma Plata earthquake occurred in San Francisco and central coast in October 17th in 1989.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: At that time and I got a fever for three days. And I have to say something, or present something, in the UC Berkeley. Today's laboratory and the best I could- I couldn't visit the laboratory because I had a lot of fevers. But after that, the earthquake came in 5:00 PM almost.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And on the other hand, in Japan, one decade ago, we had a great earthquake in Tohoku area, north part of Tokyo. It is often referred to in Japan as a great east Japan earthquake on March 11th, 2011. Almost one year past. But if you meet with earthquake and a big typhoon in Japan, no more than 1000 cybernetic avatars operated by teleoperators worldwide well performed a large scale and complicated mission in the disaster site.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Maybe the United States teleoperators work contributed to the disaster relief I hope it. And I hope my Moonshot program will build the cybernetic avatar infrastructure or allowing the remote operation for more than the 1000 cybernetic avatar.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And under infrastructure, teleoperators can contact quicker rescue operations by consulting with the international experts in the cyberspace meetings, even while working in the physical space. A medical doctor can also remotely operate the much cybernetic avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It will treat many injured people at once at the same time. As a, result professionals in the teleoperation will conduct the rapid rescue while ensuring that our safety. It's a big project, but I will realize that these things will land 2030, I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And the next scene, the scene two. Enjoy sports together. The commentary [INAUDIBLE] most people focus on the e-sports. Not only the sports, but also the e-sports. And this reward gets a lot of money. Almost the same as the real sports. So in 2050s, with cybernetic avatars, you can enjoy the cyber and the physical sports will be realized.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And you think you can enjoy the sports together, regardless of where you live. And so sometimes a new kind of sports game or new kind of athlete, including the avatars, the cybernetic avatars, might be introduced in the world.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And scene three. Let me show you the scene three in have a full day- holiday. The let's pretend that you are in the beach, on the beach in Hawaii. And you are relaxing and resting your mind and body. It might be I also visit to Hawaii after the COVID-19.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And at the same time, already mourning in Japan. You might to try to climb Mount Fuji using your assigned cybernetic avatar and watch the sunrise. Then after that, the take a lesson from pianist in the cyber space. Maybe United States pianist in the cyber space.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And in the afternoon, they join the live performance of your favorite pop star. And the next one, you might say in the future that's using the cybernetic avatar, my farming can be done anywhere. And vegetable gelato shop I started last year is doing well.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's imagines, but you can stay in Hawaii, but you can control the cybernetic avatar in your farm. And created a lot of the fresh vegetables and creates the gelato. And also it is possible to prevent and treat diseases with nano avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Professor Kurzweil while already proposed nanobot in the 2005 in the singularity. And this nanobot, or the nano avatar, they're taken into the body. Now currently, does the size might be almost the same as the exosome and nanobot.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And healthy life expectancy is extended. And elderly people can continue to play an active role in society. And also if you have a grandchild- children, your grandchildren live far away. But you can see them anytime you want.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So easy to contact, easy to communicate. Even though the pandemic is happened. And last scene, scene five. Maximizing creativity. It might be a very important project because I was [INAUDIBLE] in the professor of Osaka University over Arts.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The [INAUDIBLE] and the many large scale artworks can be proposed by Team Love or the naked companies in Japan. But even larger scale artworks can be created by one artist alone using a cybernetic avatar. The multiple users account also remotely operate it much cybernetic avatars at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And also by installing the craftsmanship of the expert into your brain, then combining it with your own ideas, you can try new artistic expressions, I think. Now some artists came from the United States, and some other artist came from the EU. And a Japanese artist just joining in 24 hours to create a new kind of the artwork that we call the art, or science, work.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It might be the big changes in the art domains, I think. And our next one is go anywhere with cybernetic avatar. Currently, every people always go anywhere with iPhone. But sometimes, some researchers always not only iPhone, the tablet computers, and the PCs.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So the backpack is always heavy. But in the near future, or the 2050s, we always using go anyway with a cybernetic avatars. When operating the cybernetic avatars, the user feel the same sensations as their own bodies. Therefore expanding the possible range of human activities.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And we can walk into several or different diverse places from the outer space. Like International Space Stations and moon base in the future. And you inside the human body like using the nano avatars and the nanobot. And the vessel or the many kind of several exosomes might be a check.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And relieve or prevent the seizures, I think. And enjoy the spontaneous travel by linking the local avatar while staying at home. And large scale complex tasks can be complicated in a short time by one person remotely operating the one, a 10, or more robots as a principal conductor.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: What's the reason? Let's imagine that if you were remote operate the more than the one avatars, it might be very, very difficult- you might be confused, I think, in this teleoperations. However, the Moonshot Goal One Target One says- Target One means to create or build the cybernetic avatar infrastructure for diversity and inclusion.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: By 2030s, the last drawings shows that one person can operate more than 10 avatars for one task, at the same speed and accuracy as one avatar by 2030. And to the 2050.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: This infrastructure can carry out large scale complex tasks and combining the large number of robots and avatar operated by a multitude of persons by 2050. To realize these are studied if, I think, are one example. And in my previous research institute, already they [INAUDIBLE] one close to realize these much through teleoperations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And I will assure you that this will be- this one is recorded in the Universal City in Osaka in 2008. One teleoperator can account remotely operate a full robot at the same time that each robot tried to interact with different passenger, or the people, at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: I will show you that this movies. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] [SPEAKING JAPANESE] [END PLAYBACK]
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And this scene is very, very- including the very complicated multitasks. This one is a- If you become the teleoperators, you have to control these situations at the same time. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] [SPEAKING JAPANESE] [END PLAYBACK]
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So to cope with these complicated multitask to always teleoperation in terms of the human robot interactions, we will already developed special task management system in 2008. But this times, only focus on the four robots. But this Moonshot project just focus on more than 10 robots or avatars at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So we have to introduce, and also the task is only this time. At that time, we just focus on the human robot interaction. But in this Moonshot project, is not only the human robot into action, but also the other sharing systems we have to assume. So we need more excellent core technologies to realize these cybernetic avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: But we already had several clues to come up with these problems, I think. And also the next one is a very important market in the world. The virtual reality with 3D video avatars inside of a physical space. To have ability to go back and forth seamlessly between the cyber and the physical space will allow us to enjoy new lifestyle.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: New lifestyle means in terms of free from the limitation of space and the time. This means that this include a new experience, such as watching the concert and sports. So do the 3D video avatars. [INAUDIBLE] many, many head mount display are developing and with a low price.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so the country like that. So 30 years later, that we will use very small head mount displays. And this kind of the technology will help reduce the time and money spent spend on travel. Not only travel. And also to minimize the risks associated with overcrowding, like COVID-19.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so that we just easy to switch cyberspace and the physical space seamlessly. And so this market will be created drastically, I think, so the cybernetic avatar will contribute to promote this market. And next one is augmentated body cognition and the perception for a fulfilling life.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Well we will be free from the convention- no, limitations of our bodies and brains in this case. So, we only focus on the brain. Consists of cognition part and perception part. And have abandoned means to achieve our dreams. Especially the cyborg prosthetic body technology expands the functionality of our bodies and brains, and will allow everyone to play active roles in their work and hobbies.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The [INAUDIBLE] and the many, many researchers including Elon Musk tried to propose a new brain machine interface systems, and proposed many ideas. Maybe 30 years later these BMI will be dramatically improved, I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And physical capabilities that have diminished due to the aging and illness will be augmented to promote more social activities. But artistic capability, too, will be augmented. So the aesthetic sense stored in cyberspace, that is implanted into user brains.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Currently, there are many people tried to develop or invasive systems in the BMI. And so the other Moonshot Goal One the Target Two also cover these issues, or what these trained, are targeted to realize the cybernetic robot life.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And one is just focus on the development of the technology that will be allow anyone willing to augment their physical, cognitive, and perceptual capability for specific tasks. And a proposal of a new lifestyle that will be welcomed by the society by 2030. And also by 2050 that these capability to top level and spread of a new lifestyle that will be welcomed by society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: This one means welcome means implying the ethical, and legal, social, and economic issues might be the clear, [INAUDIBLE] And we always think about considering the ethical, social, and the legal, and economic issues at that time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: But a country in the world, there are many, many similar projects going on. One of the most exciting projects is ANA Avatar XPRIZE. This $10 million ANA Avatar XPRIZE can enable the creation of an audacious alternative that could bypass physical human limitations, allowing us to more rapidly and efficiently distribute the skills and hands-on expertise to distant geographical locations where they are needed.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The bridging the gap between distance, time, and cultures. Said by founder. And let me explain what's the difference between the ANA Avatar XPRIZE and our Moonshot to go along. ANA Avatar XPRIZE just the focus on the space and time limitations, and the physical human limitations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Our Moonshot Goal One just target one focus on the remotely operating more than 10 cybernetic avatars at once. The second is allowing large scale complex tasks by multiple persons. The target two also cover the space and the time limitations, and the physical human limitations. And also the third one is cognitive and perceptual limitations are coming from the elderly or centenarian society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And next, let me explain about user segmentation in development of the cybernetic avatars. I [INAUDIBLE] to three types of target users in the first stage. And Type One uses data to the human avatar interaction with the hospitality.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In this case, women becomes a teleoperator and just try to remotely operate one avatar like that, like a robot. And this robot just taking care of the elderly kid to guide. Some places depend on their situations anytime and anywhere.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: That means in this case, technology is not only the dialogue system, it's about also moving. The mobility function is very important. How to move or approaching to these people? It is a very difficult program, but still we had a lot of the experience in human robot interaction in Japan.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And our next. And Type Two users. In this case, each user has a wearable device, or wearable systems. For example, one system might be the Nintendo Switch, or the Playstations, or any other wearable devices just proposed by many, many people, so I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In this case, in this assumptions, each people come together and sharing their experience among the people using these wearable device and systems. Maybe sports, or at work, or medical surgery, in these areas might be the very important technologies in this one.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The last one, and the Type Three users. This one is very, very more challenging. To the cybernetic avatar operations, as we think in brain, for thought in cloud. That means Type Three users could not use- we assume, cannot use Type One user's services.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And could not use Type Two user's service. So that means some paralyzed people, or AAS patient, or that they need different ways. So on this one is a focus on the new types of brain machine interface, including the brain machine interface. And the applications.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And this application is just connected to the cloud. And assuring that this datas- how to share that this data and how to distribute this data to the other patient or other peoples. It is very important target. But we just focus on these are three types of users as a first stage.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And after that, I just decided the three project leaders, project managers, for the Moonshot Goal One. And the first one is Hiroshi Ishiguro. He's a very famous guy in the human robot interaction, especially the android robot.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And second one is the Kouta Minamizawa from the Cable University. He is expert for the sheer experience of ways of wearable devices and of systems, including the virtual realities, or tactile sensation, or haptics. Even though he is a young researchers, but sometimes he tried to experience about launching the companies.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And new types of researchers, I think. And the third one is Ryoto Kanai. Just challenging to realize the cybernetic avatar operations. We think in brain for sort in cloud, including the development of the brain machine interface. New types of the brain machine interface.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The first time that I chose to introduce Hiroshi Ishiguro, his project is a realization an avatar symbiotic society where everyone can perform active roles with [INAUDIBLE] from Osaka University. And this project is aimed to realize the avatar symbiotic society in which the cybernetic avatars allow everyone to perform active social roles without constraint.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: He is just featuring the hospitality dial. It's a funny word for the United States, I think. But in Japan, if you visit to the Kyoto, you will experience a first hospitality rich dialogue. And this one is not only dialogue development, but also the excellent moving, or excellent behavior that might be generated, depend on the situations for each cybernetic avatar.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So we have to assume many kind of areas of social activities. The work, or education, or medical care, and a daily life, or even the shopping mall. By 2050, our lifestyles will have dramatically changed. And that means not always go to the school.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Not always go to the company every day. So we just pick up the special time zones and to contribute to the work. And some of them to learn the something to the school. And to teach the same thing to the other institute. Or sometimes people will select as well as are doing research.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so people get lots of decisions or agendas. And so in the 2050s, we have a lot of selections. It might be a very wonderful life in his or her life. So Hiroshi's goal is to develop and implement avatar symbiosis with a balanced society rather than smart one.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And Hiroshi already debuted a special Geminoid at ATL in 2006. And he already were awarded in the Guinness World Record as first true android avatar. Geminoid HI, Hiroshi Ishigoro I won ATL 2006.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: But this one plate says the 2005. And after that, he just selected to the top 100 living geniuses in 2007. At the time, the first ranking, the Tim Berners-Lee and he just was ranked in the 26. And also as well as the Dala Lama and Steven Spielberg.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's a very, very honorariums. And he also gets excellent knowledge award. And in this case, in 2014, Tim Berners-Lee is get-- and Jimmy Wales for Wikipedia also get in 2014-- he's the third guy to was award the knowledge award.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's very, very exciting, guys. Now he already is still continue to develop the many kind of android. And this one is a recent one, Erica. Erato coming from the JST program. The Erato Intelligence Conversational Android. And the next, Kanai Ryota project managers, just focus on the revelations from the biological limitations via physical and cognitive and perception augmentations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: He's served as the managers in the ATL, but also he is a CEO of the venture company Alaya. His project aims to develop the cybernetic avatars that can be controlled by your intention. This intention will be estimated from the brain activities and information observed on the surface of the human body through interactions.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: That means he just focus on the not only BMI, but also different information might be very important to improve, and to get the intention. And translate the intention to the [? DL ?] [? move ?] in paralyzed people. We will integrate the intention estimation method using AI technologies and enhance the functionality of the cybernetic avatars controlled by brain machine interface.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: New types of the brain machine interface while considering the ethical implications. By 2050, we will create the ultimate BMI cybernetic avatars that can be freely operated by human intentions. If his project included a lot of excellent or the very advanced the medical doctors, or the researchers in this field.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And the last one is Minamizawa Kouta, project manager. He tried to utilize the cybernetic avatar technologies and the social system design for harmonious whole experience and collective abilities. From the Keio University, and his project aims to develop the cybernetic avatar technology to allow people to take full advantage their abilities.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Especially the sheer variety of the skills and experience of ways, and many others. Currently, you might be using the Instagram or YouTube just to focus on the auditory and visual informations right now. But in the near future, I think, the skill and experience will be shared in the world.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In this case, we have to taking in account the social and ethical issues involved in a mutual utilization of their physical skills and experiences. We will design a system to fit well with humans and society. And it means accept. The user acceptance maybe the very important assumptions, I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: How to adjust these technology into the real, new life style, or a new life? By 2050, the entire distribution of the skills and experiences will allow people to link together and produce cool creations. And help realize a society in which everyone can freely engage in the physical activities and the challenges through the cybernetic avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: I hope we will realize these things. And R&D management, we are assume the four kind of layers. Application layer just focus on overcoming the limitation of the space, and time, and body, and brain. Especially the cognitions and perception.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And middleware layer. It's very important to the standardizations. Many kind of cybernetic avatar will be developed. Now, how to define the accident specifications- standard specifications, I think. We're assuming to several points. One is 5W1H management.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And more important things is interoperability of the cybernetic avatar. And how to scale up these complicated cybernetic avatar controlling. And so the interoperability and the scalability is a main topic. So in the standardizations. We try to connect or linked with many kind of the standardization bodies, including the ISO, or OMG, or CCITT like that.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And core technology layers definitely, we just focus on the teleoperation. New types of teleoperation should be developed. The multiple CA operation, the parallel/corroborative/semi autonomous operations, and autonomous. Not only the autonomous operation, but also the [INAUDIBLE] three operations. So it depend on the teleoperator.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The last layer is focus on the basic research. And ELSE we call it. I just call it ELSE. ELSE. Issues layer. And basic research is just focus on the cyber physical behavior science, and cognitive science, and biology, and brain science. The ELSE issue is ethical, legal, social, and economic issues to get some user acceptance in the near future.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: This issue might be very important things. And PD. Message to PM. And human centered R&D project on the cybernetic avatar. And a cybernetic avatar were developed from the viewpoint of not only to providers, but also the users in the future. R&D project should be do basic research on the human stress caused by many cybernetic avatars and stress relief method while taking into account ethical, legal, social, and economic issues.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And information security. I hope they will help us adapt and adjust to new human center the cybernetic avatar life. Now let me summarize that these things we just select the three excellent program managers. These projects is going on the field experimentation. In this case, we would get a lot of opinions, or a lot of criticism.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so combined these things, we're collecting these things, to improve and realize that these goals- thank you, very much- for kind attentions.
TODD CARPENTER: Well Dr. Hagita-san, thank you so much. That was such a fantastic and inspiring talk. So many, so many brilliant ideas there. I can't even begin to think of where to dig in. So many different angles. I do acknowledge that we are running over a little bit of time. But there is, from my perspective, no reason to cut this short.
TODD CARPENTER: I don't know, Dr. Hagita, if you have other commitments. But I think it'd be worthwhile to spend some time thinking about some of the questions that your work proposes. I had pinged you in the chat as you were talking at the end about the R&D levels.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes.
TODD CARPENTER: One of the interesting things that we have all been facing recently as information technology has expanded is the issues of security. And what I'm concerned about in this infrastructure is the possibility that someone could hack into the communication between my brain and the avatar , which is somewhere else.
TODD CARPENTER: How can we think ahead and try and build in security to ensure that my avatar somewhere else isn't being controlled by some malicious actor in the middle?
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Very, very good and excellent. Questions I also concerning about these programs, especially the information security. So that some projects, including some managers related to the information security. As the kinds of information security might be not applied to our cybernetic avatar society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So that we have to make a more different sense, or more new ideas to apply to the next generation of the cybernetic avatar life, I think. And so that's something that we might need some basic research. Not only the practical works. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah because I think particularly, as we're envisioning a world 30 plus years from now, there's some interesting- I think another one of the Moonshot projects is in quantum computing. And one of the applications in quantum computing is it breaks almost every security hash function that we have at the moment.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So maybe not only me, the JST think about the integration of the four kind of goals, including the quantum computing and the interventions for the health. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah, no. And it's fascinating how the JST has thought about how these things fit together.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Maybe after the 2030s, it's a very, very, important situation for integration of these [INAUDIBLE] I think.
TODD CARPENTER: There was a comment here, and you had responded to the question, but I want to capture it just in case anyone- The difference between your vision of cybernetic avatars and robots.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Cybernetic avatar including the concept of a robot. But nobody's speaking. Robot has two functions. One is an autonomous operations. Another is teleoperations. For examine, if some rocket go to the moon. In this case, NASA can be connected with this robot. The teleoperations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Or the sometimes the moving the moon. After that, sometimes NASA could not connect with the robot. In this case, a robot has the special autonomous functions. And also this Moonshot Goal Three is just focus on the autonomous robot. And my Goal One is focus on the teleoperated robot.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So the very different in terms of the . Funding it's very important in the government. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Right.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: You understand? So the disjointedness is very important. Because this money came from the tax. As you know, yeah. And also the definition of the cybernetic avatar. That year in year, the changing. That means defining the definition of the cybernetic avatar will be changing year by year, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. And it's an interesting point in that the two have to work together. As you were talking about this cybernetic avatar experience-
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: -I had instantly jumped to the Mars landing yesterday. And watching the video of that. It was the closest I will ever get to Mars, right? But as you said, that is completely autonomous. That's robotic.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Is completely autonomous operation? Might be not reflect the teleoperator's intentions. So we always focus on the difference between autonomy and the teleoperation. So that means the CA always reflecting the human's intentions. The keeping the human's intelligence, even though the teleoperations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's a very important situation, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. Because as I'm thinking about this, if I was controlling an avatar on the Moon, right? It actually- there is latency between what I'm doing here and on the moon. You've got nine minutes, or six minutes, of time delay. You have to allow for the avatar to-
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Question Todd. Good question. Thank you very much. In this case, the collaboration of the AI robots coming from the Goal Three and our cybernetic avatar in Goal One, the collaboration might be very important. How to collaborate these things? It's new types of operations, I think. In the near future, I think. We also think of these possibilities, or explanations, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. There's an interesting question from one of our participants in terms of is it expected that a person who also overcome the limitations of the- sorry.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes. At that time, I just tried to use the University student in the 2008. Sometimes confusing the teleoperations. After that we, create the task management systems. Because this one is available for only the human robot interactions in some shopping mall only. But in this project, they extended to not only the shopping mall, but also the education, and the work, or the medical situations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So we have to develop the new kind of the management systems in teleoperations. At the same time, there are many, many cybernetic avatar. We have to use that many, many cybernetic avatars.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. Another interesting thread about where things stand is focused on issues of disability and how this technology can apply to people who are disabled. Visually or physically disabled. Could you talk a little bit about the progress there in overcoming people's disabilities?
TODD CARPENTER: Or how we can help people interact in a world where their disabilities inhibit them?
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes. Very, very good questions. Our project focus on the inclusion and diversity. So in this case, some project managers connected with some medical doctors, or hospitals. Mediated with these disabilities. And in the United States just focus on the invasive brain messaging interface.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In Japan, not invasive brain must interface. Just using the brain activities. Not using the invasions. So we try to integration of these are two things. And not only that these two things as well as another kind of feature instruction will be introduced, I think. So we always focus on the user situations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Depend on the user situations. We have to result with some different solutions, I think. So that we always think about situated service. We always assuming these things.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. So a question from one of the participants.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes.
TODD CARPENTER: By the time a person operates multiple avatars--
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes.
TODD CARPENTER: --is it also expected that the person will overcome the limitations of their own brain? In terms of having one person controlling multiple avatars. You know, I can barely control my own one body.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Is a very good question. So we got to focus on the brain capability. First, the current cognitive and perceptual capability, it will be extended, I think. For example, you play the drums in music. You can play the drums at many, many drum. The hitting the many kinds of drums at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And in this case, your brain is associated with each other. The main localities. And also the if you are crazy at the gaming in the Nintendo Switches, the after that, you will create new kind of brain abilities. The perception abilities. And also after the cybernetic avatar will available in many peoples, each people's brain will be improved the capability of the multiple cybernetic avatar functions, I think, in the future.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Much to depend on the people, the [INAUDIBLE],, the limitation of each peoples' capability in terms of cybernetic avatars. In this case, are we just doing the research and not only the technology. The basic research is very important. So that our projects included in the basic research team related to the multiple task management in brain.
TODD CARPENTER: Wow, that's amazing. As both of my children spend a lot of time on a Switch, I'm interested to know what's going on in their brain.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Maybe your children becomes the 80s. Maybe Nintendo Switch is expired, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Amazing.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The cybernetic avatar will be available in that case. So the young people has a lot of chance to spend time and play some things in the future, I think. We could not expect. Senior people could not expecting that these situations. But new, young people easily to accept that these capability, or interfacing, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah, absolutely.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Well, thank you. This has been such a fascinating conversation. Congratulations on all of the work that you have done. And I'm so looking forward to following the results of the Moonshot project. This and the others. It is truly amazing the things that you and your team are working on. So thank you for taking the time to join us today. Have I frozen?
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Oh yes. I just back. Thank you very [INAUDIBLE]. A little bit unstable for a telecommunications.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. That definitely-- latency. Latency.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Latency. Latency, yes. So that we always assume that these situations when we use the cybernetic avatars. Yeah. So the cybernetic avatars sometimes include some autonomous functions, so in parallel here. Thank you very much for your time and efforts, even thought in the evening or the morn- almost 10?
TODD CARPENTER: Almost 11. 11 PM, yes.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Thank you very much for your efforts and time. Everyone, thank you very much for joining to my presentations. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. Thank you so much. And so this draws day three to a close. Thank you all for joining us. And we will continue tomorrow for the final day of NISO Plus. Thank you all, and have a pleasant evening.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Bye bye. [MUSIC PLAYING]
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TODD CARPENTER: Good evening. Good morning, depending on where you are in the world. My name is Todd Carpenter, executive director of NISO. This is our day three keynote with Dr. Norahiro Hagita. Before we get started, I want to just run through a few things. We know- we've structured the program intentionally to engage our friends and colleagues in the Asia-Pacific time zones.
TODD CARPENTER: We intentionally tried to be more welcoming and engaging of the scientific community and the library community, information science professionals in that space. There is a lot of amazing work being done in Japan, in China, in Australia, New Zealand, throughout the Asia-Pacific region. And I want to highlight some of that.
TODD CARPENTER: Not only for the American audience and get some people participating a little later in the evening for us. But most importantly, to make that connection between those two communities. Which, unfortunately, often leads to our friends and colleagues having to suffer through midnight sessions, or late in the evening sessions, to engage with European or North America.
TODD CARPENTER: So it is critically important, I think, that we acknowledge that and do what we can to reach out and engage that community. Which is why we've extended the hours of NISO Plus into the evening in the east coast to make sure that we can get that kind of engagement. As this is the last morning session for Asia-Pacific, I just want to highlight a few things before we get started with Dr. Hagita-san's talk.
TODD CARPENTER: The first is I'd like to thank the program committee who have helped put together NISO Plus 21. It was an incredible, incredible group of people who contributed their time and effort and expertise and connections around the world. We had eight different countries represented on the program committee. In particular, I'd like to highlight three of those people.
TODD CARPENTER: Christopher Chan at the Hong Kong Baptist University, Natasha Simmons at the NRDC in Australia, as well as Nabuka Miahiri, who's a consultant in Japan. Particularly want to call out Naboku for her participation and her reaching out and arranging the talk with Doctor Hagita. We are also continuing the conversations that take place here at NISO Plus the NISO discourse site where we want to highlight and continue some of the conversations and ideas that are raised during NISO Plus in an asynchronous manner.
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TODD CARPENTER: We will be distributing a short survey on Monday. This has been an experiment. Just like NISO Plus 20 was an experiment in a new in-person event, this is a new virtual event. And we would so appreciate your feedback in terms of how well it's worked, problems that you've experienced, any issues. We found that this is a successful environment.
TODD CARPENTER: But of course, we need your experience since you're on the receiving end of this program. And so getting your information and feedback is going to be critical to what we do next. And so before I pass it over to Rhonda Ross to introduce Dr. Hagita-san, I would like to thank all of the people in the Asia-Pacific region who have been involved and engaged in NISO Plus.
TODD CARPENTER: We realize that NISO might not have the kind of name recognition or engagement from the Asia-Pacific community, in large part because we've constrained ourselves to our own time zone. Which is something that we desperately want to change. And we will be changing. We want to be a more inclusive organization. We want to be more engaged internationally.
TODD CARPENTER: And engagement can happen at multiple levels. None of our working groups have meetings in person. Almost every single group has virtual meetings. We were kind of primed for a pandemic world within NISO, long before the pandemic because of the structure in which we operate. That gives us the opportunity to bring in voices from around the world.
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TODD CARPENTER: Regardless of where you are. It's more about engagement. It's more about interaction. Please do stay involved as I mentioned the discourse website. Continuing the conversations there. But always, also, feel free to reach out to the NISO staff, the NISO board, any of us if you have issues, problems anything you'd like NISO to solve.
TODD CARPENTER: Any conversations you'd like us to get going. So with that, from my perspective, I want to thank you all. Thank you so much for joining us. And now I am going to pass it on to Rhonda Ross from the American Chemical Society and a member of the NISO board of directors. Rhonda? Thank you, Todd.
TODD CARPENTER: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. The American Chemical Society is very proud to once again sponsor the NISO Plus conference. And it's my great privilege and honor to introduce our next keynote speaker, Dr. Norihiro Hagita. Dr. Hagita is chair and professor of the Art Science department of Osaka University of Arts. He also serves as the research supervisor in Japan science and technology agencies Crest Research Programs on intelligent information processing systems.
TODD CARPENTER: Creating co experience, knowledge, and wisdom with human machine harmonious collaboration. Dr. Hagita is the program director of the JST Moonshot Gold Program One. Realization of a society in which human beings can be free from limitations of body, brain, space, and time by the year 2050. He's also a member of the Science Council of Japan.
TODD CARPENTER: And I'm sure you'll join me with great anticipation in welcoming Dr. Hagita to NISO Plus 2021.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Good evening, everyone. And thank you for giving a wonderful opportunity to present this very exciting Japanese Moonshot Project program. The title is Moonshot Goal One and I would like to briefly introduce these programs. Especially why a focus- we just focus on the realization of a society in which human being can be free from the limitations of the body, brain, space, and time by 2050.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: I am Nori Hagita from the Osaka University of Arts in Japan. Thank you for joining to that is my presentation. And Moonshot R&D program is a very, very bold new program for creating disruptive innovations. It is decided by plenary session of the Council for Science and Technology and Innovation.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Sometimes we call the CSTI in government. And also the Ministry of Education Culture, Sports, Science, and technology. And also the I just contributed to the JST, Japan Science and Technology agency, JST in Japan. That these institute contributed to this program about what we would attack the challenges facing in the future society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: As ambitious goal oriented research project leaping beyond the limits of the conventional technologies, without fear of failure. The Japanese people always concerning our worst fear of failure. But this program just try to develop the new technologies without out fear of failure.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: All Moonshot goals are consistent with those seven calls currently. I just contributed to the goal one. And also the JST contributed to the goals one, two, three, and six. And goal one just to focus on the free from limitations of the body, brain, space, and time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And goal two just focus on the ultro-early disease prediction and interventions. It's a very promising project. And goal three directly to the AI robots. So sometimes goal one and goal three mutually communicate with each other to create a new kind of order.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Creates the new synergy of the AI robots and avatar technologies. And goal six is a little bit different, but still very important the technology. Is fault-tolerant universal quantum computer. In the world, and also the United States, are very important technologies related to the goal six.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So let me explain about why do we start the Moonshot Goal One program. To overcome the challenge of declining birth, and aging populations, and associated labor shortage. We are facing like that this is demography of aging rate in Japan.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Our final goal is in 2050s, maybe beyond the 65 years old. The number of the people over the 65 years old is almost the same as the ages of 15 to 64 in 2055.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so we have to- the social system should be changed, especially the pension systems. Or the social adjustment might be the changing dramatically. So we have to think about the new paradigm. So we just set up this ambitious programs, the Moonshot goal, to overcome the challenges of declining birth rate, and aging population, and associated labor shortage.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: A key technology is to realize that society free from the limitations of a body, a brain, and space, and time. And allow people with various backgrounds and the various. That means such as the elderly and those with the responsibilities for nursing and child care. To allow these people to actively participate in society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And this is a very, very typical example of our vision of the society in 2050s. So you can see the very strange avatars. We call the cybernetic avatar. So the cybernetic avatar technology will make work and play more accessible for everyone.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So to understand the cybernetic avatar, I will show you several scenes. This scene one is related to the disaster relief. More than 1,000 cybernetic avatars operated by teleoperations perform on a large scale and complicated mission in disaster sites.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Can you imagine that? But in my case I experienced a big earthquake in San Francisco when I was staying at Berkeley in 1989. At the time, the Loma Plata earthquake occurred in San Francisco and central coast in October 17th in 1989.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: At that time and I got a fever for three days. And I have to say something, or present something, in the UC Berkeley. Today's laboratory and the best I could- I couldn't visit the laboratory because I had a lot of fevers. But after that, the earthquake came in 5:00 PM almost.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And on the other hand, in Japan, one decade ago, we had a great earthquake in Tohoku area, north part of Tokyo. It is often referred to in Japan as a great east Japan earthquake on March 11th, 2011. Almost one year past. But if you meet with earthquake and a big typhoon in Japan, no more than 1000 cybernetic avatars operated by teleoperators worldwide well performed a large scale and complicated mission in the disaster site.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Maybe the United States teleoperators work contributed to the disaster relief I hope it. And I hope my Moonshot program will build the cybernetic avatar infrastructure or allowing the remote operation for more than the 1000 cybernetic avatar.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And under infrastructure, teleoperators can contact quicker rescue operations by consulting with the international experts in the cyberspace meetings, even while working in the physical space. A medical doctor can also remotely operate the much cybernetic avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It will treat many injured people at once at the same time. As a, result professionals in the teleoperation will conduct the rapid rescue while ensuring that our safety. It's a big project, but I will realize that these things will land 2030, I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And the next scene, the scene two. Enjoy sports together. The commentary [INAUDIBLE] most people focus on the e-sports. Not only the sports, but also the e-sports. And this reward gets a lot of money. Almost the same as the real sports. So in 2050s, with cybernetic avatars, you can enjoy the cyber and the physical sports will be realized.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And you think you can enjoy the sports together, regardless of where you live. And so sometimes a new kind of sports game or new kind of athlete, including the avatars, the cybernetic avatars, might be introduced in the world.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And scene three. Let me show you the scene three in have a full day- holiday. The let's pretend that you are in the beach, on the beach in Hawaii. And you are relaxing and resting your mind and body. It might be I also visit to Hawaii after the COVID-19.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And at the same time, already mourning in Japan. You might to try to climb Mount Fuji using your assigned cybernetic avatar and watch the sunrise. Then after that, the take a lesson from pianist in the cyber space. Maybe United States pianist in the cyber space.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And in the afternoon, they join the live performance of your favorite pop star. And the next one, you might say in the future that's using the cybernetic avatar, my farming can be done anywhere. And vegetable gelato shop I started last year is doing well.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's imagines, but you can stay in Hawaii, but you can control the cybernetic avatar in your farm. And created a lot of the fresh vegetables and creates the gelato. And also it is possible to prevent and treat diseases with nano avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Professor Kurzweil while already proposed nanobot in the 2005 in the singularity. And this nanobot, or the nano avatar, they're taken into the body. Now currently, does the size might be almost the same as the exosome and nanobot.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And healthy life expectancy is extended. And elderly people can continue to play an active role in society. And also if you have a grandchild- children, your grandchildren live far away. But you can see them anytime you want.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So easy to contact, easy to communicate. Even though the pandemic is happened. And last scene, scene five. Maximizing creativity. It might be a very important project because I was [INAUDIBLE] in the professor of Osaka University over Arts.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The [INAUDIBLE] and the many large scale artworks can be proposed by Team Love or the naked companies in Japan. But even larger scale artworks can be created by one artist alone using a cybernetic avatar. The multiple users account also remotely operate it much cybernetic avatars at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And also by installing the craftsmanship of the expert into your brain, then combining it with your own ideas, you can try new artistic expressions, I think. Now some artists came from the United States, and some other artist came from the EU. And a Japanese artist just joining in 24 hours to create a new kind of the artwork that we call the art, or science, work.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It might be the big changes in the art domains, I think. And our next one is go anywhere with cybernetic avatar. Currently, every people always go anywhere with iPhone. But sometimes, some researchers always not only iPhone, the tablet computers, and the PCs.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So the backpack is always heavy. But in the near future, or the 2050s, we always using go anyway with a cybernetic avatars. When operating the cybernetic avatars, the user feel the same sensations as their own bodies. Therefore expanding the possible range of human activities.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And we can walk into several or different diverse places from the outer space. Like International Space Stations and moon base in the future. And you inside the human body like using the nano avatars and the nanobot. And the vessel or the many kind of several exosomes might be a check.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And relieve or prevent the seizures, I think. And enjoy the spontaneous travel by linking the local avatar while staying at home. And large scale complex tasks can be complicated in a short time by one person remotely operating the one, a 10, or more robots as a principal conductor.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: What's the reason? Let's imagine that if you were remote operate the more than the one avatars, it might be very, very difficult- you might be confused, I think, in this teleoperations. However, the Moonshot Goal One Target One says- Target One means to create or build the cybernetic avatar infrastructure for diversity and inclusion.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: By 2030s, the last drawings shows that one person can operate more than 10 avatars for one task, at the same speed and accuracy as one avatar by 2030. And to the 2050.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: This infrastructure can carry out large scale complex tasks and combining the large number of robots and avatar operated by a multitude of persons by 2050. To realize these are studied if, I think, are one example. And in my previous research institute, already they [INAUDIBLE] one close to realize these much through teleoperations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And I will assure you that this will be- this one is recorded in the Universal City in Osaka in 2008. One teleoperator can account remotely operate a full robot at the same time that each robot tried to interact with different passenger, or the people, at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: I will show you that this movies. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] [SPEAKING JAPANESE] [END PLAYBACK]
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And this scene is very, very- including the very complicated multitasks. This one is a- If you become the teleoperators, you have to control these situations at the same time. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] [SPEAKING JAPANESE] [END PLAYBACK]
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So to cope with these complicated multitask to always teleoperation in terms of the human robot interactions, we will already developed special task management system in 2008. But this times, only focus on the four robots. But this Moonshot project just focus on more than 10 robots or avatars at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So we have to introduce, and also the task is only this time. At that time, we just focus on the human robot interaction. But in this Moonshot project, is not only the human robot into action, but also the other sharing systems we have to assume. So we need more excellent core technologies to realize these cybernetic avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: But we already had several clues to come up with these problems, I think. And also the next one is a very important market in the world. The virtual reality with 3D video avatars inside of a physical space. To have ability to go back and forth seamlessly between the cyber and the physical space will allow us to enjoy new lifestyle.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: New lifestyle means in terms of free from the limitation of space and the time. This means that this include a new experience, such as watching the concert and sports. So do the 3D video avatars. [INAUDIBLE] many, many head mount display are developing and with a low price.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so the country like that. So 30 years later, that we will use very small head mount displays. And this kind of the technology will help reduce the time and money spent spend on travel. Not only travel. And also to minimize the risks associated with overcrowding, like COVID-19.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so that we just easy to switch cyberspace and the physical space seamlessly. And so this market will be created drastically, I think, so the cybernetic avatar will contribute to promote this market. And next one is augmentated body cognition and the perception for a fulfilling life.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Well we will be free from the convention- no, limitations of our bodies and brains in this case. So, we only focus on the brain. Consists of cognition part and perception part. And have abandoned means to achieve our dreams. Especially the cyborg prosthetic body technology expands the functionality of our bodies and brains, and will allow everyone to play active roles in their work and hobbies.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The [INAUDIBLE] and the many, many researchers including Elon Musk tried to propose a new brain machine interface systems, and proposed many ideas. Maybe 30 years later these BMI will be dramatically improved, I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And physical capabilities that have diminished due to the aging and illness will be augmented to promote more social activities. But artistic capability, too, will be augmented. So the aesthetic sense stored in cyberspace, that is implanted into user brains.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Currently, there are many people tried to develop or invasive systems in the BMI. And so the other Moonshot Goal One the Target Two also cover these issues, or what these trained, are targeted to realize the cybernetic robot life.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And one is just focus on the development of the technology that will be allow anyone willing to augment their physical, cognitive, and perceptual capability for specific tasks. And a proposal of a new lifestyle that will be welcomed by the society by 2030. And also by 2050 that these capability to top level and spread of a new lifestyle that will be welcomed by society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: This one means welcome means implying the ethical, and legal, social, and economic issues might be the clear, [INAUDIBLE] And we always think about considering the ethical, social, and the legal, and economic issues at that time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: But a country in the world, there are many, many similar projects going on. One of the most exciting projects is ANA Avatar XPRIZE. This $10 million ANA Avatar XPRIZE can enable the creation of an audacious alternative that could bypass physical human limitations, allowing us to more rapidly and efficiently distribute the skills and hands-on expertise to distant geographical locations where they are needed.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The bridging the gap between distance, time, and cultures. Said by founder. And let me explain what's the difference between the ANA Avatar XPRIZE and our Moonshot to go along. ANA Avatar XPRIZE just the focus on the space and time limitations, and the physical human limitations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Our Moonshot Goal One just target one focus on the remotely operating more than 10 cybernetic avatars at once. The second is allowing large scale complex tasks by multiple persons. The target two also cover the space and the time limitations, and the physical human limitations. And also the third one is cognitive and perceptual limitations are coming from the elderly or centenarian society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And next, let me explain about user segmentation in development of the cybernetic avatars. I [INAUDIBLE] to three types of target users in the first stage. And Type One uses data to the human avatar interaction with the hospitality.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In this case, women becomes a teleoperator and just try to remotely operate one avatar like that, like a robot. And this robot just taking care of the elderly kid to guide. Some places depend on their situations anytime and anywhere.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: That means in this case, technology is not only the dialogue system, it's about also moving. The mobility function is very important. How to move or approaching to these people? It is a very difficult program, but still we had a lot of the experience in human robot interaction in Japan.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And our next. And Type Two users. In this case, each user has a wearable device, or wearable systems. For example, one system might be the Nintendo Switch, or the Playstations, or any other wearable devices just proposed by many, many people, so I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In this case, in this assumptions, each people come together and sharing their experience among the people using these wearable device and systems. Maybe sports, or at work, or medical surgery, in these areas might be the very important technologies in this one.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The last one, and the Type Three users. This one is very, very more challenging. To the cybernetic avatar operations, as we think in brain, for thought in cloud. That means Type Three users could not use- we assume, cannot use Type One user's services.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And could not use Type Two user's service. So that means some paralyzed people, or AAS patient, or that they need different ways. So on this one is a focus on the new types of brain machine interface, including the brain machine interface. And the applications.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And this application is just connected to the cloud. And assuring that this datas- how to share that this data and how to distribute this data to the other patient or other peoples. It is very important target. But we just focus on these are three types of users as a first stage.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And after that, I just decided the three project leaders, project managers, for the Moonshot Goal One. And the first one is Hiroshi Ishiguro. He's a very famous guy in the human robot interaction, especially the android robot.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And second one is the Kouta Minamizawa from the Cable University. He is expert for the sheer experience of ways of wearable devices and of systems, including the virtual realities, or tactile sensation, or haptics. Even though he is a young researchers, but sometimes he tried to experience about launching the companies.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And new types of researchers, I think. And the third one is Ryoto Kanai. Just challenging to realize the cybernetic avatar operations. We think in brain for sort in cloud, including the development of the brain machine interface. New types of the brain machine interface.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The first time that I chose to introduce Hiroshi Ishiguro, his project is a realization an avatar symbiotic society where everyone can perform active roles with [INAUDIBLE] from Osaka University. And this project is aimed to realize the avatar symbiotic society in which the cybernetic avatars allow everyone to perform active social roles without constraint.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: He is just featuring the hospitality dial. It's a funny word for the United States, I think. But in Japan, if you visit to the Kyoto, you will experience a first hospitality rich dialogue. And this one is not only dialogue development, but also the excellent moving, or excellent behavior that might be generated, depend on the situations for each cybernetic avatar.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So we have to assume many kind of areas of social activities. The work, or education, or medical care, and a daily life, or even the shopping mall. By 2050, our lifestyles will have dramatically changed. And that means not always go to the school.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Not always go to the company every day. So we just pick up the special time zones and to contribute to the work. And some of them to learn the something to the school. And to teach the same thing to the other institute. Or sometimes people will select as well as are doing research.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so people get lots of decisions or agendas. And so in the 2050s, we have a lot of selections. It might be a very wonderful life in his or her life. So Hiroshi's goal is to develop and implement avatar symbiosis with a balanced society rather than smart one.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And Hiroshi already debuted a special Geminoid at ATL in 2006. And he already were awarded in the Guinness World Record as first true android avatar. Geminoid HI, Hiroshi Ishigoro I won ATL 2006.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: But this one plate says the 2005. And after that, he just selected to the top 100 living geniuses in 2007. At the time, the first ranking, the Tim Berners-Lee and he just was ranked in the 26. And also as well as the Dala Lama and Steven Spielberg.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's a very, very honorariums. And he also gets excellent knowledge award. And in this case, in 2014, Tim Berners-Lee is get-- and Jimmy Wales for Wikipedia also get in 2014-- he's the third guy to was award the knowledge award.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's very, very exciting, guys. Now he already is still continue to develop the many kind of android. And this one is a recent one, Erica. Erato coming from the JST program. The Erato Intelligence Conversational Android. And the next, Kanai Ryota project managers, just focus on the revelations from the biological limitations via physical and cognitive and perception augmentations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: He's served as the managers in the ATL, but also he is a CEO of the venture company Alaya. His project aims to develop the cybernetic avatars that can be controlled by your intention. This intention will be estimated from the brain activities and information observed on the surface of the human body through interactions.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: That means he just focus on the not only BMI, but also different information might be very important to improve, and to get the intention. And translate the intention to the [? DL ?] [? move ?] in paralyzed people. We will integrate the intention estimation method using AI technologies and enhance the functionality of the cybernetic avatars controlled by brain machine interface.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: New types of the brain machine interface while considering the ethical implications. By 2050, we will create the ultimate BMI cybernetic avatars that can be freely operated by human intentions. If his project included a lot of excellent or the very advanced the medical doctors, or the researchers in this field.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And the last one is Minamizawa Kouta, project manager. He tried to utilize the cybernetic avatar technologies and the social system design for harmonious whole experience and collective abilities. From the Keio University, and his project aims to develop the cybernetic avatar technology to allow people to take full advantage their abilities.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Especially the sheer variety of the skills and experience of ways, and many others. Currently, you might be using the Instagram or YouTube just to focus on the auditory and visual informations right now. But in the near future, I think, the skill and experience will be shared in the world.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In this case, we have to taking in account the social and ethical issues involved in a mutual utilization of their physical skills and experiences. We will design a system to fit well with humans and society. And it means accept. The user acceptance maybe the very important assumptions, I think.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: How to adjust these technology into the real, new life style, or a new life? By 2050, the entire distribution of the skills and experiences will allow people to link together and produce cool creations. And help realize a society in which everyone can freely engage in the physical activities and the challenges through the cybernetic avatars.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: I hope we will realize these things. And R&D management, we are assume the four kind of layers. Application layer just focus on overcoming the limitation of the space, and time, and body, and brain. Especially the cognitions and perception.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And middleware layer. It's very important to the standardizations. Many kind of cybernetic avatar will be developed. Now, how to define the accident specifications- standard specifications, I think. We're assuming to several points. One is 5W1H management.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And more important things is interoperability of the cybernetic avatar. And how to scale up these complicated cybernetic avatar controlling. And so the interoperability and the scalability is a main topic. So in the standardizations. We try to connect or linked with many kind of the standardization bodies, including the ISO, or OMG, or CCITT like that.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And core technology layers definitely, we just focus on the teleoperation. New types of teleoperation should be developed. The multiple CA operation, the parallel/corroborative/semi autonomous operations, and autonomous. Not only the autonomous operation, but also the [INAUDIBLE] three operations. So it depend on the teleoperator.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The last layer is focus on the basic research. And ELSE we call it. I just call it ELSE. ELSE. Issues layer. And basic research is just focus on the cyber physical behavior science, and cognitive science, and biology, and brain science. The ELSE issue is ethical, legal, social, and economic issues to get some user acceptance in the near future.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: This issue might be very important things. And PD. Message to PM. And human centered R&D project on the cybernetic avatar. And a cybernetic avatar were developed from the viewpoint of not only to providers, but also the users in the future. R&D project should be do basic research on the human stress caused by many cybernetic avatars and stress relief method while taking into account ethical, legal, social, and economic issues.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And information security. I hope they will help us adapt and adjust to new human center the cybernetic avatar life. Now let me summarize that these things we just select the three excellent program managers. These projects is going on the field experimentation. In this case, we would get a lot of opinions, or a lot of criticism.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And so combined these things, we're collecting these things, to improve and realize that these goals- thank you, very much- for kind attentions.
TODD CARPENTER: Well Dr. Hagita-san, thank you so much. That was such a fantastic and inspiring talk. So many, so many brilliant ideas there. I can't even begin to think of where to dig in. So many different angles. I do acknowledge that we are running over a little bit of time. But there is, from my perspective, no reason to cut this short.
TODD CARPENTER: I don't know, Dr. Hagita, if you have other commitments. But I think it'd be worthwhile to spend some time thinking about some of the questions that your work proposes. I had pinged you in the chat as you were talking at the end about the R&D levels.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes.
TODD CARPENTER: One of the interesting things that we have all been facing recently as information technology has expanded is the issues of security. And what I'm concerned about in this infrastructure is the possibility that someone could hack into the communication between my brain and the avatar , which is somewhere else.
TODD CARPENTER: How can we think ahead and try and build in security to ensure that my avatar somewhere else isn't being controlled by some malicious actor in the middle?
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Very, very good and excellent. Questions I also concerning about these programs, especially the information security. So that some projects, including some managers related to the information security. As the kinds of information security might be not applied to our cybernetic avatar society.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So that we have to make a more different sense, or more new ideas to apply to the next generation of the cybernetic avatar life, I think. And so that's something that we might need some basic research. Not only the practical works. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah because I think particularly, as we're envisioning a world 30 plus years from now, there's some interesting- I think another one of the Moonshot projects is in quantum computing. And one of the applications in quantum computing is it breaks almost every security hash function that we have at the moment.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So maybe not only me, the JST think about the integration of the four kind of goals, including the quantum computing and the interventions for the health. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah, no. And it's fascinating how the JST has thought about how these things fit together.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Maybe after the 2030s, it's a very, very, important situation for integration of these [INAUDIBLE] I think.
TODD CARPENTER: There was a comment here, and you had responded to the question, but I want to capture it just in case anyone- The difference between your vision of cybernetic avatars and robots.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Cybernetic avatar including the concept of a robot. But nobody's speaking. Robot has two functions. One is an autonomous operations. Another is teleoperations. For examine, if some rocket go to the moon. In this case, NASA can be connected with this robot. The teleoperations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Or the sometimes the moving the moon. After that, sometimes NASA could not connect with the robot. In this case, a robot has the special autonomous functions. And also this Moonshot Goal Three is just focus on the autonomous robot. And my Goal One is focus on the teleoperated robot.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So the very different in terms of the . Funding it's very important in the government. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Right.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: You understand? So the disjointedness is very important. Because this money came from the tax. As you know, yeah. And also the definition of the cybernetic avatar. That year in year, the changing. That means defining the definition of the cybernetic avatar will be changing year by year, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. And it's an interesting point in that the two have to work together. As you were talking about this cybernetic avatar experience-
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: -I had instantly jumped to the Mars landing yesterday. And watching the video of that. It was the closest I will ever get to Mars, right? But as you said, that is completely autonomous. That's robotic.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Is completely autonomous operation? Might be not reflect the teleoperator's intentions. So we always focus on the difference between autonomy and the teleoperation. So that means the CA always reflecting the human's intentions. The keeping the human's intelligence, even though the teleoperations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: It's a very important situation, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. Because as I'm thinking about this, if I was controlling an avatar on the Moon, right? It actually- there is latency between what I'm doing here and on the moon. You've got nine minutes, or six minutes, of time delay. You have to allow for the avatar to-
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Question Todd. Good question. Thank you very much. In this case, the collaboration of the AI robots coming from the Goal Three and our cybernetic avatar in Goal One, the collaboration might be very important. How to collaborate these things? It's new types of operations, I think. In the near future, I think. We also think of these possibilities, or explanations, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. There's an interesting question from one of our participants in terms of is it expected that a person who also overcome the limitations of the- sorry.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes. At that time, I just tried to use the University student in the 2008. Sometimes confusing the teleoperations. After that we, create the task management systems. Because this one is available for only the human robot interactions in some shopping mall only. But in this project, they extended to not only the shopping mall, but also the education, and the work, or the medical situations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: So we have to develop the new kind of the management systems in teleoperations. At the same time, there are many, many cybernetic avatar. We have to use that many, many cybernetic avatars.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. Another interesting thread about where things stand is focused on issues of disability and how this technology can apply to people who are disabled. Visually or physically disabled. Could you talk a little bit about the progress there in overcoming people's disabilities?
TODD CARPENTER: Or how we can help people interact in a world where their disabilities inhibit them?
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes. Very, very good questions. Our project focus on the inclusion and diversity. So in this case, some project managers connected with some medical doctors, or hospitals. Mediated with these disabilities. And in the United States just focus on the invasive brain messaging interface.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: In Japan, not invasive brain must interface. Just using the brain activities. Not using the invasions. So we try to integration of these are two things. And not only that these two things as well as another kind of feature instruction will be introduced, I think. So we always focus on the user situations.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Depend on the user situations. We have to result with some different solutions, I think. So that we always think about situated service. We always assuming these things.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. So a question from one of the participants.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes.
TODD CARPENTER: By the time a person operates multiple avatars--
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yes.
TODD CARPENTER: --is it also expected that the person will overcome the limitations of their own brain? In terms of having one person controlling multiple avatars. You know, I can barely control my own one body.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah. Is a very good question. So we got to focus on the brain capability. First, the current cognitive and perceptual capability, it will be extended, I think. For example, you play the drums in music. You can play the drums at many, many drum. The hitting the many kinds of drums at the same time.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: And in this case, your brain is associated with each other. The main localities. And also the if you are crazy at the gaming in the Nintendo Switches, the after that, you will create new kind of brain abilities. The perception abilities. And also after the cybernetic avatar will available in many peoples, each people's brain will be improved the capability of the multiple cybernetic avatar functions, I think, in the future.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Much to depend on the people, the [INAUDIBLE],, the limitation of each peoples' capability in terms of cybernetic avatars. In this case, are we just doing the research and not only the technology. The basic research is very important. So that our projects included in the basic research team related to the multiple task management in brain.
TODD CARPENTER: Wow, that's amazing. As both of my children spend a lot of time on a Switch, I'm interested to know what's going on in their brain.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Maybe your children becomes the 80s. Maybe Nintendo Switch is expired, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Amazing.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: The cybernetic avatar will be available in that case. So the young people has a lot of chance to spend time and play some things in the future, I think. We could not expect. Senior people could not expecting that these situations. But new, young people easily to accept that these capability, or interfacing, I think.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah, absolutely.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Well, thank you. This has been such a fascinating conversation. Congratulations on all of the work that you have done. And I'm so looking forward to following the results of the Moonshot project. This and the others. It is truly amazing the things that you and your team are working on. So thank you for taking the time to join us today. Have I frozen?
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Oh yes. I just back. Thank you very [INAUDIBLE]. A little bit unstable for a telecommunications.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. That definitely-- latency. Latency.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Latency. Latency, yes. So that we always assume that these situations when we use the cybernetic avatars. Yeah. So the cybernetic avatars sometimes include some autonomous functions, so in parallel here. Thank you very much for your time and efforts, even thought in the evening or the morn- almost 10?
TODD CARPENTER: Almost 11. 11 PM, yes.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Thank you very much for your efforts and time. Everyone, thank you very much for joining to my presentations. Yeah.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah. Thank you so much. And so this draws day three to a close. Thank you all for joining us. And we will continue tomorrow for the final day of NISO Plus. Thank you all, and have a pleasant evening.
NORIHIRO HAGITA: Bye bye. [MUSIC PLAYING]
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