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So one of the questions that's in there's a Q&A if people want to put it in there. One of the questions had to do with and by the way, people can unmute your line so you can speak up and join the conversation.
There's a question here about wanting to hear more about people's experience assigning doulas to oers versus ISP ads. So Cynthia speaking from Atlanta. We are we actually explored both. What we discovered is that dois while they would be nice and are there were some faculty asking for them.
They're very labor intensive. If you're using press books, at least the press books hosted platform because it doesn't have the capability to just assign them within there. You actually have to go through the whole manual process and then add it there manually, whereas ESPN'S were a lot easier to do. So we actually do four allowed to go or are assigned osbournes, but we consciously decided not to do Doi.
So unless you have a lot of staff, with your repository, it's very labor intensive to and because you also have to keep updating those as, as the content moves around and stuff. So I think also would depend on the system that you're using. I mean, yes, there's some systems have dois embedded, some have ISBN functionality. It kind of really depends where you, you know, the technical debt that you start with when you adopt a system.
Todd, can I follow up on that real quick? Sure so part of my interest was what happens if, let's say I take an r from someplace else, I revise or remix it or re-use it. Do I give it a new isbn? Do I give it a new die or is it just a new manifestation of the previous work? Technically it would get according to the ISBN rules. It would be considered a new edition, so it would need a new ISBN.
Rex but there are ways if you're using doses. And this would actually be a little interesting. You can use there's a related Doi so you can. Attach related doulas in the Doi record. So that would be a good way to track version control. You know, every one of these systems has pluses and minuses.
You can embed doses for related resources in a Doi record. So this Doi is related to that Doi. Another question from the chat or from the discussion. Yeah these are some questions that I think Jesse had kind of posed, which was, should there be a global approach or strategy to.
The creation of a we are. What do what do people think?
I guess my thoughts that we're having a hard enough time getting a national strategy on a global strategy, but it is the gold standard. It would be really nice to do that. It's just that we just in our region trying to get four provinces to agree and then you have a whole country to agree and then you have multiple countries to agree it. It's a process that may take a long time.
It seems like a very at least from my perspective, it seems like a very broad ask. It would be like we need standards for books. We need a policy for books. You know, textbooks is a. I'm just taking one example. Textbooks, it seems like a very broad thing.
And so chunking that into certain areas might make sense. You know, we need better framework for metadata, framework for identification, a framework for version control. You know. Best practice on licensing. I mean, any one of those things could take a very long time to develop.
Are there people on the call who've had other experiences with developing their own fears and their own environments? I think in terms of weight, I think in terms of creating what you were talking about, I think that's the question. One of the other questions that one of our speakers had was in terms of duplicating and the efforts around that and creating multiple resources.
And do people think it's good or it's bad or what are their feelings about it? Cynthia depends on what you call. If they've taken an adapted the content, I think it's a great, great duplication of the content. But if you're just duplicating it exactly and making no changes, I would rather see our creators linked to the original and then potentially that also will catch any updates to the content or whatever.
But we've very consciously said if you're going if you're going to just use the content as is link to it, but if you want to do any adaptation, bring it into our environment and adapt it as you need it. But I really don't like the thought of having us have the exact same book in multiple places. It's really hard then to track the versioning and track where things have gone.
Yeah there's sort of a similar corollary situation with. Open access articles because you could post something into a repository that could duplicate it in other repositories is sort of a feature of the system but it. Creates issues like, say, if that paper got redact retracted. How do you signal to the rest of the world that that paper got retracted?
Lisa, do you want to you can unmute and join the. Sure I was curious to know if anybody has tackled the problem of the side revenue stream that faculty can get from publishing commercial textbooks. And it just strikes me that many of the really expensive and burdensome books are in those big courses where faculty are getting a bump from producing those, and it would be so great to have them as owners instead.
And has anybody been able to transition any of those folks from writing commercial textbooks to producing an OCR instead? And what strategies have you used? Yeah, that's a great question. Do people have experience? I this is Jesse.
I don't have experience with this. Although I was talking to somebody I think yesterday or maybe the day before who was asking a similar question, but they were asking from the perspective of like, what if people went together on a textbook and like the University bought that textbook from them or the library bought that textbook from them, or somebody was actually sort of not buying in the way that we kind of use it for commercial textbooks, but sort of.
Paying them essentially for the work that they had done. And then every semester that you use that textbook, like the University ends up paying the faculty. They weren't doing it at the time, but it was something that they were exploring, which I thought was an interesting concept. Cynthia has responded in the chat.
Yeah so we've done one where it was posthumous and the estate was very open to, to that idea. There was multiple there were multiple authors. So we did have to track down the second author, but they were quite open to it. But before that it had been a very popular commercial textbook. So it can happen.
I'm not saying that they have to die for it to happen, but but I think there's ways to we like we did have to convince that second author that was the income stream still worth it to them. And then it was a lot of talking about the value to the students, the value, the value of it becoming an heir and also the exposure they would get. Duplicated and and adapted in multiple in multiple ways in multiple repositories, that that would give them a lot more exposure potentially for their future works that they might want to create.
But yeah, it did take a lot of convincing of the second author, but it did in the end work. So it can happen. The biggest thing is your author still has to have the copyright to their particular book. So that's a question to they may be in the textbook market and they may be continuing to publish that and getting the royalties, but they may not be able to transition it to OCR if they don't own their copyright.
Yeah, I would hop on top of what Cynthia has just said in terms of very likely, if it's a commercially successful textbook, in most cases, the author probably doesn't have the rights and would have to negotiate those rights from the publisher. Yeah I guess maybe a better scenario is trying to get in touch with folks who might be inclined to produce something like that before they actually have a contract or when they're just starting to think about it.
Yeah, it's always easier with newer content than trying to go back and undo something that has been done. We have just a few minutes left before we need to break. Was there anything in. In Jesse's. Suggestions of potential work that could be considered here in terms of version control or metadata coalescing around metadata issues.
I got into the Zoom a little bit late, so I apologize. I don't know if this came up, but I think I was interested in Cynthia was also interested in the idea of peer review. What is peer review in the space? What should it be? Should people be compensated for that? Does that change the nature of who we are?
I'm curious what other people think about that. Unless you already talked about it and I missed it. We haven't. OK anyone have any ideas or suggestions on that to provide some context around that? In Canada, the two big repositories actually do solicit peer reviews and they actually do pay an honorarium, a standard honorarium.
But it's become a big question in Atlanta over whether that is something we want to do. Is that a slope we want to start on in terms of paying people for open work and for the greater good? So, I mean, it's a double edged sword. You want to have that. You know, affirmation of the quality of the content. But should you have to pay for it or should that also just be considered part of the scholarly work of experts in those fields as it is with writing an article or writing a book?
All right. Yeah now, I was going to say, in the interest of time, I just wanted to make sure that if our speakers had any last comments or anything else that they wanted to add. But other than that, like any questions or whatever, their emails are in sketch and also we'll keep the doc running if other people want to continue the discussion there.
All right with that, it is time to move on to our next session. We have a 15 minute break. The next, we have sessions that begin at 2 PM Eastern. So that's GMT 19. Thank you all for participating. And thank you again to our speakers. Thank you.
Segment:0 .
So one of the questions that's in there's a Q&A if people want to put it in there. One of the questions had to do with and by the way, people can unmute your line so you can speak up and join the conversation.
There's a question here about wanting to hear more about people's experience assigning doulas to oers versus ISP ads. So Cynthia speaking from Atlanta. We are we actually explored both. What we discovered is that dois while they would be nice and are there were some faculty asking for them.
They're very labor intensive. If you're using press books, at least the press books hosted platform because it doesn't have the capability to just assign them within there. You actually have to go through the whole manual process and then add it there manually, whereas ESPN'S were a lot easier to do. So we actually do four allowed to go or are assigned osbournes, but we consciously decided not to do Doi.
So unless you have a lot of staff, with your repository, it's very labor intensive to and because you also have to keep updating those as, as the content moves around and stuff. So I think also would depend on the system that you're using. I mean, yes, there's some systems have dois embedded, some have ISBN functionality. It kind of really depends where you, you know, the technical debt that you start with when you adopt a system.
Todd, can I follow up on that real quick? Sure so part of my interest was what happens if, let's say I take an r from someplace else, I revise or remix it or re-use it. Do I give it a new isbn? Do I give it a new die or is it just a new manifestation of the previous work? Technically it would get according to the ISBN rules. It would be considered a new edition, so it would need a new ISBN.
Rex but there are ways if you're using doses. And this would actually be a little interesting. You can use there's a related Doi so you can. Attach related doulas in the Doi record. So that would be a good way to track version control. You know, every one of these systems has pluses and minuses.
You can embed doses for related resources in a Doi record. So this Doi is related to that Doi. Another question from the chat or from the discussion. Yeah these are some questions that I think Jesse had kind of posed, which was, should there be a global approach or strategy to.
The creation of a we are. What do what do people think?
I guess my thoughts that we're having a hard enough time getting a national strategy on a global strategy, but it is the gold standard. It would be really nice to do that. It's just that we just in our region trying to get four provinces to agree and then you have a whole country to agree and then you have multiple countries to agree it. It's a process that may take a long time.
It seems like a very at least from my perspective, it seems like a very broad ask. It would be like we need standards for books. We need a policy for books. You know, textbooks is a. I'm just taking one example. Textbooks, it seems like a very broad thing.
And so chunking that into certain areas might make sense. You know, we need better framework for metadata, framework for identification, a framework for version control. You know. Best practice on licensing. I mean, any one of those things could take a very long time to develop.
Are there people on the call who've had other experiences with developing their own fears and their own environments? I think in terms of weight, I think in terms of creating what you were talking about, I think that's the question. One of the other questions that one of our speakers had was in terms of duplicating and the efforts around that and creating multiple resources.
And do people think it's good or it's bad or what are their feelings about it? Cynthia depends on what you call. If they've taken an adapted the content, I think it's a great, great duplication of the content. But if you're just duplicating it exactly and making no changes, I would rather see our creators linked to the original and then potentially that also will catch any updates to the content or whatever.
But we've very consciously said if you're going if you're going to just use the content as is link to it, but if you want to do any adaptation, bring it into our environment and adapt it as you need it. But I really don't like the thought of having us have the exact same book in multiple places. It's really hard then to track the versioning and track where things have gone.
Yeah there's sort of a similar corollary situation with. Open access articles because you could post something into a repository that could duplicate it in other repositories is sort of a feature of the system but it. Creates issues like, say, if that paper got redact retracted. How do you signal to the rest of the world that that paper got retracted?
Lisa, do you want to you can unmute and join the. Sure I was curious to know if anybody has tackled the problem of the side revenue stream that faculty can get from publishing commercial textbooks. And it just strikes me that many of the really expensive and burdensome books are in those big courses where faculty are getting a bump from producing those, and it would be so great to have them as owners instead.
And has anybody been able to transition any of those folks from writing commercial textbooks to producing an OCR instead? And what strategies have you used? Yeah, that's a great question. Do people have experience? I this is Jesse.
I don't have experience with this. Although I was talking to somebody I think yesterday or maybe the day before who was asking a similar question, but they were asking from the perspective of like, what if people went together on a textbook and like the University bought that textbook from them or the library bought that textbook from them, or somebody was actually sort of not buying in the way that we kind of use it for commercial textbooks, but sort of.
Paying them essentially for the work that they had done. And then every semester that you use that textbook, like the University ends up paying the faculty. They weren't doing it at the time, but it was something that they were exploring, which I thought was an interesting concept. Cynthia has responded in the chat.
Yeah so we've done one where it was posthumous and the estate was very open to, to that idea. There was multiple there were multiple authors. So we did have to track down the second author, but they were quite open to it. But before that it had been a very popular commercial textbook. So it can happen.
I'm not saying that they have to die for it to happen, but but I think there's ways to we like we did have to convince that second author that was the income stream still worth it to them. And then it was a lot of talking about the value to the students, the value, the value of it becoming an heir and also the exposure they would get. Duplicated and and adapted in multiple in multiple ways in multiple repositories, that that would give them a lot more exposure potentially for their future works that they might want to create.
But yeah, it did take a lot of convincing of the second author, but it did in the end work. So it can happen. The biggest thing is your author still has to have the copyright to their particular book. So that's a question to they may be in the textbook market and they may be continuing to publish that and getting the royalties, but they may not be able to transition it to OCR if they don't own their copyright.
Yeah, I would hop on top of what Cynthia has just said in terms of very likely, if it's a commercially successful textbook, in most cases, the author probably doesn't have the rights and would have to negotiate those rights from the publisher. Yeah I guess maybe a better scenario is trying to get in touch with folks who might be inclined to produce something like that before they actually have a contract or when they're just starting to think about it.
Yeah, it's always easier with newer content than trying to go back and undo something that has been done. We have just a few minutes left before we need to break. Was there anything in. In Jesse's. Suggestions of potential work that could be considered here in terms of version control or metadata coalescing around metadata issues.
I got into the Zoom a little bit late, so I apologize. I don't know if this came up, but I think I was interested in Cynthia was also interested in the idea of peer review. What is peer review in the space? What should it be? Should people be compensated for that? Does that change the nature of who we are?
I'm curious what other people think about that. Unless you already talked about it and I missed it. We haven't. OK anyone have any ideas or suggestions on that to provide some context around that? In Canada, the two big repositories actually do solicit peer reviews and they actually do pay an honorarium, a standard honorarium.
But it's become a big question in Atlanta over whether that is something we want to do. Is that a slope we want to start on in terms of paying people for open work and for the greater good? So, I mean, it's a double edged sword. You want to have that. You know, affirmation of the quality of the content. But should you have to pay for it or should that also just be considered part of the scholarly work of experts in those fields as it is with writing an article or writing a book?
All right. Yeah now, I was going to say, in the interest of time, I just wanted to make sure that if our speakers had any last comments or anything else that they wanted to add. But other than that, like any questions or whatever, their emails are in sketch and also we'll keep the doc running if other people want to continue the discussion there.
All right with that, it is time to move on to our next session. We have a 15 minute break. The next, we have sessions that begin at 2 PM Eastern. So that's GMT 19. Thank you all for participating. And thank you again to our speakers. Thank you.
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