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Building our infrastructure to expand the research lifecycle
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Building our infrastructure to expand the research lifecycle
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Hi there. Anybody have any follow up thoughts or questions? And Jennifer, I was going to say people could put that in the chat window or they could unmute and speak as well, whatever they prefer. Absolutely it looked like there was a good audience and there was a good number of participation.
I'll kick us off and maybe they'll spurn some ideas. So Jennifer, Samantha, others we may also want to give time for people to join in. But while I'm kicking us off, I would love to hear more about the initiatives or projects that your team and/or your organization is working on. On some of the research lifecycle discussion that we had, particularly around AI and/or other technologies, if there's anything you want to share.
Sure I mean, we I think, as we mentioned in our conversation, we're hyper focused on peer review, because our workflows in early stage research are very peer reviewed driven. And I think, as many of us know, that that can be such a. A place where things slow down right in the submission through the acceptance and publication process.
So we're really trying to do a lot of work there. Also, just in terms of making the research findable and and associating taxonomies with that research is really important. And so helpful. We are doing a lot of experimenting right now and integrating a lot of third party tools in uniting those in ways that we think will be super powerful.
So we don't believe that we have to build all the AI and machine learning tools. We actually are big proponents of using the best that that's out there. But we're all ones together will be super powerful. And that is such a poignant thought, right? We don't have to build because particularly around organizations like a library that I'm part of or University that my library is part of.
When new technologies come out, there's always this rush to build as opposed to, well, how can we leverage what's there and develop other peripheral and adjacent services that then help in this research lifecycle and other things? So that is really poignant. And another thing you pointed to and then I'll let others maybe have other questions. I'm just trying to grease the runway here.
Greece, the question, where was the find ability that you talked about in terms of taxonomy? Because for organizations that are consumers of information for their constituents or whose constituents are consumers of information, and then also producers of information that will then be consumed, that find ability around that discovery becomes so important. And taxonomies are great.
And they should. But how do we also help educate these constituents on how these taxonomies play in a role and how they should be? As Osama said, we can't tell researchers to change what they're doing. Our tools need to meet their needs. So we should not be telling users how they should be searching or finding things. They should be able to discover them easily.
So some of this work that you're talking about is just so helpful and impactful in those areas. It is. And that's where the interoperability, too, between a platform like Marissa and then downstream into publishers or societies and out into library systems is so important so that that metadata. Right really travels with the research content and you can trace back from where you may have a book holding or a journal holding or other holdings in the library.
You can still trace it up back to the early stage research and we're really working hard at helping to make those connections happen and really using standards that the industry has embraced to make sure that that happens. That's great. Thank you. You know, I can't tell you how many times we've had folks, whether it's funders or publishers or others trying to find that or institutions that research that they funded but lost track of over the multiyear cycle.
That can happen between first idea grant and then downstream publications as they become more and more formalized and into actual books and journals. So it's really been a problem and an expensive one.
We are very happy to take any questions. Also as follow up and I think our contact information is available. So we'd be super happy if folks feel quiet or just, oh, there's Shane. Yeah so I work at crossref in the technical support team. And I encounter a scenario like many times a week that has to do with kind of early stage research outputs.
OK and I just want to run it by you and maybe you'll have an idea about infrastructure that could help alleviate the pain points in it. So it happens often that researchers will put their early work on a preprint repository. That pre repository will register a Doi for it, and the DIY will trigger that work to be indexed by a plagiarism detection software. The publisher, the authors will then submit that same or edited version of that work to a journal the journal editor of a run of plagiarism detection software and get like a 90% similarity score and tell the authors this is plagiarized or it's elsewhere.
You've got to get rid of this or we can't publish it. So then they come back to us and they're like, you got an unregistered this Doi. So the preprint can be out of the plagiarism detection software and then kind of just all of the benefits of the transparency and the relationship between the preprint and the final version of record or just kind of disappear because of this friction point around the journal editor and that would be great if there was some, some smarter plagiarism detection tool or something that would make that not have to happen.
Yeah, that's such an interesting question. I mean, I in our tools we try and flag but not outright reject anything that has that similarity score. Yeah Yeah. Also right. The folks are looking for that over self citation. So it makes sense that some of that's being picked up. But I think the Yeah. That's so interesting to think about how.
I think it's getting the earlier research into the databases that are being used for those similarity checks. So I think those deposits and the actual publication of that upstage. Oh, yes, I think I'm what can I speak of stage research will help with that. I'd love to come back and think a little bit more. That's that's a wonderful question.
Yeah I'm curious. Yes Thanks. Yes and then we have a question in the chat as well that comes to us from Kimberley. Thank you, Kimberley. The question is what opportunities are concerns exist in regard to seeking or incorporating more global research into the cycle? Yeah I mean, I mean, I think we're I think, Kimberly, you're thinking about accessibility, right?
Accessibility to funding, accessibility to go to events, accessibility. And that's a lot of what we're trying to help have happen is that today you don't have to physically travel to a scientific event to be a part of and start sharing that research. And so much of the early stage research is being shared in conferences still today. So we really try and help make those events accessible.
But then also the research shared that was discussed, the posters, the presentations, the videos, so that even if you couldn't be there in person or virtually you can find it afterwards. And we feel like that's a really important part of the diversity, equity and inclusion that we're all trying to promote, whether it's funders or publishers or societies or conference organizers.
I hope that addressed your question. Yeah And I'll just jump in quickly. You know, I was fortunate enough to be at the triangle PSI conference this past October, and there were a number of different research groups from different, different places. And one gentleman researcher in particular was, I forget where exactly in Africa. And and the other thing that he was talking about, you know, of course, funding, but also really a kind of entrenched cultural practice of or ethos of emphasizing publishing at almost any cost.
Yeah Yeah. And, you know, and and so I mean, this is maybe not your particular problem, but of course, it has this domino effect. So how I'm just thinking how what you're talking about and how what needs to be done is all interconnected and how some of these. Yeah, maybe I in terms of language translations or how is all of this something that we can apply that can really provide opportunities as opposed to shut things down or.
Right I think that you're making such good points. And, you know, some of the research out there points to a researcher's career taking off if they find a mentor early and if they find those partnerships early. And so we've done some work to try and track the career stage of researchers and in helping them be a part of a community and be able to be found earlier and develop those partnerships, those mentorships earlier.
And I think technology can help with that because, you know, folks will be able to find each other in emerging areas or established researchers will be able to and mentors will be able to find each other. And so much of the cross institutional work can be helped by finding these early pockets of individuals working no matter where they are in the world. And so I think technology will help. I think there's a lot more that has to help.
Right in terms of the industry shifting, in terms of the reward system, we also are trying to help in that way in building sort of automated profiles of researcher histories. So if, let's say a researcher from Africa is participating in a conference and/or had a paper accepted that becomes a part of their living profile on the platform and can be a part of what they share back into their organization and with their peers about the contributions that they were making to their field.
So we think that's really important, not just a formal publication, but all of this other activity and these other contributions. Does that resonate? It does. And you know, exactly what you were saying about mentorship was something that came up in our conversations, especially in regard to.
Having somebody to help you navigate predatory publications. And and, you know, and because the pressure is so palpable, you know, and that people tend to almost be prone to that because they really have to need to want to publish, even though it's going to have a negative impact on their career in a long term situation.
Yes and that's where we're really looking at tools that can help researchers up front before they even make a submission. Researchers, as they're writing, as they're making discoveries, as they're trying to connect with publishers, I think there's a lot of different ways that we can support. I don't think there's a magic bullet, but I think there's many, many ways that we can come at this.
And we're really trying to pull that together on our platform and really work with our partners to build more tools. And make them available to anybody at any stage of their career. Great pull down those tracks. Yeah I would also just add to that I think early stage research in general as a sort of segment of the research lifecycle building up the acceptance of that as a scientific output is going to ultimately lessen some of that pressure on that final journal article and maybe helped sort bring about some of those cultural shifts that need to happen to, you know, free us up from some of those vulnerabilities for predatory journals or predatory conferences.
Sounds like a layered approach. Yeah Yeah. And technology and culture kind of have to work hand in hand here. Yes well, do we have any other questions or comments, thoughts, observations?
I know it's in late in the day on the East Coast and in other countries around the world. You're all probably coming from different time zones. And we appreciate that. OK well, yeah, Yeah.
I was just going to say the document is a living document, so it lives beyond this program. And if you want to capture the link, if there are thoughts that occur to anyone or questions. I think one of the things that occurred to me was Sebastian had mentioned the importance of kind of standards in this. And of course, nisa was very much involved with standards in the creation of standards.
And I guess the last question I would have is really. What is there anything in particular that you think might be helpful or purposeful? Yeah, I, I think we really need to do more about making it easy to have IDs related to events, scholarly conferences and events so that it's really easy to tie back.
Research that happened at that event proceedings and then and then tracking it all the way down through journals and other publications. That's it's a tricky thing to keep trying to connect the research life cycles, especially for us, where we've got early stage research, we're supporting the proceedings workflow. Oftentimes then metadata and different things flow down into publishers systems for producing their journals.
And so we don't necessarily know that publication date of a journal related to that research. We try and go back through to crossref and there's quite a bit of, of, of work just to tie it back to an event. It would be really great if we could have the event IDs traveling alongside of the research as, as a metadata element in a nice uniform way.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think the events are getting those unique IDs yet through crossref. Am I right? Now there's know, there aren't event identifiers. I know there's been talk about like a different pin for the events themselves as opposed to the outputs from the events. But it would be it would be pretty amazing.
Yeah agreed. I think that would help a lot. Happy to talk about that. I'll fly into. I keep going back to the APIs and I keep going. Please is it there yet?
Kimberly, if there are no other questions, we'll wait for another few more minutes to give our audience because we still have 10 more minutes for Q&A. OK very good. Great we also don't have to force anyone to have violence. But we don't. We absolutely don't. But we can also have whatever other conversation we want to have as well.
So I don't know if anyone has been participating in other presentations and sessions and had any other thoughts about how the session might tie into other sessions that you've been privy to or the. I don't know, thoughts that somehow would be good connections either in creating standards or solutions or even just having educational programs.
What what topics might be good to have discussions on? And that's something that you can reach out to us any time we have our program fairly well set, but we are always kind of either looking for new opportunities or we start planning in 2024 kind of by summertime.
And you know, just as a way of really thinking, I mean, again, I'm thinking about my encounter at SCI and just kind of how much of that really was very much a cultural practice that was relayed to me. But how much of that? Could potentially be solved by a number of different texts to it. What we've talked about here tonight, but also in terms of just sea change because of conversations and dialogue that happens, right?
That's right. What ideas came up there? You know, were there. Were there. Was it? I mean, it sounds like this was a private conversation, but also, was there some good group conversations and debate? It was interesting.
It was I mean, I'd never been to triangle Sy before and I was there with C4 discs, tool kit for disability equity and our group had great time to focus on work that, you know, we would have never really had the time to do was very dedicated time. It was an entire week and and there were a number of other groups that were there.
This one actually was very concerned with Oh no, actually it was another group that was looking to create a kind of review of journals so that it was. A way of not saying don't publish here or publish here instead, but really kind of provide information and insight that could give researchers the kind of information they might need to make those decisions.
Yeah so that was one project that was really good. Another was actually looking at. Accessibility controlled vocabulary for artwork in databases. So database databases for artwork. Digital artwork. kind of what might be needed in terms of identifying either system requirements or even if there were things like Strowman that happens and what impact that might be for somebody who was visually overstimulated know.
So those kind of things it was it was a really dynamic group of people in a really great opportunity to kind of get together outside of a one hour Zoom meeting every other week and have dedicated work time. So it was very productive and there were a lot of different research groups doing. Really, really dynamic and worthwhile things.
The whole program had a theme that was about kind of reparation, repair and reclamation. So people were really coming with these projects that were really about solving problems that really persisted and created inequities. Oh, that sounds fascinating. I have to go do some reading, too.
Where are there? There should be profiles. Yeah OK. That sounds really good. Accessibility is. Is something that we're really aware of. And and aware of needing to constantly improve in that area. And it it feels like the technology is so strong today to be able to help with some of that.
I mean, from less of a geographical but just more of a visual or other kinds of challenges. So something that we're focused on as well right now. There's just. I just. I am going to grab that.
And Shane, I'm grabbing your ear, your contact information, and it is an easy contact information. Support crossref. Yes, it's not me personally, but they'll know how to find me if someone else grabs this. Sounds good. You might have to just look at your use case and then walk it back.
Well, if there are no other questions, as Kimberly said, I we do not want to hold people staring at each other. But it was still good to stare and talk and have this conversation, too. It was a very enriching discussion and I look forward to seeing how it gets tied into the work neisloss doing and what our information organizations are doing as we work with vendors, commercial, commercial organizations and other information organizations.
Thank you, everyone. OK and thank you again, Jennifer and Samantha. OK very. Thank you so much as well. Thank you.