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Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our session. Today's discussion about sustainability, open science and scholarly communications is going to be in a roundtable type format with prompts and responses from our panel. My name is Clarice Martel. I'm with caballes and I'm also a SDG Publishers Compact fellow.
And with me today on the panel, I've got letty Conrad from outsole Inc, Daley white with Moffitt Cancer center, and Jay Patel with cactus communications, who is also a SDG Publishers Compact fellow. So before we dive in, I wanted to take a moment to encourage everyone to have a look at our poll questions within the app for this session. We'd certainly like to hear some responses and hear from you guys.
So to begin, I wanted to provide everyone with a brief overview of what the United Nations sustainability goals are and how they're applicable to the publishing industry. In 2015, the United Nations adopted 17 goals to ensure improve life here on earth, and these goals range from improving socioeconomic conditions to things like climate change and other important environmental issues.
And I want to emphasize that the goals here have them up here. 17 are they overlap? So action in one area is going to affect outcomes in another area. So how does that apply to us in the publishing industry at large? What can we do to help? What role do we have to play? Really, all of us have a role to play.
And I think the most integral role that the publishing industry, you know, can contribute is the dissemination and availability, making research available within the industry, but also getting it into the hands of the public, into the hands of practitioners that are going to implement that research. So whether you're a researcher, whether you're a librarian, an editor, a vendor to the industry, everyone's got their part to play here.
So that leads me into our first question for the panel. How can publishing professionals and the scholarly community in general take advantage, take advantage of resources or infrastructure to help communities better understand and apply SDG related research? We're going to start here with leti. Hi, everybody. Leti Conrad with outsole Inc. If you're not familiar, we are a research and advisory firm for information and data companies.
Everybody can hear me OK. I'm not like hovering on the mic, so let me know if you can't hear me. Um, so I guess a couple of things come to mind with this question and with my outsole hat on, I would say the SDGS, along with the alphabet soup of lots of other sorts of related efforts, whether it's ESG, whether it's Dia, you know, we're looking at diversity, equity, inclusion, or we're looking at environmental, social, governmental pressures.
These these initiatives, these campaigns are not just feel good, good PR gee, this sounds like a nice to have sort of thing. You know, part of what outsole is doing is watching market Bookshare and size and how people are investing in the commercial, you know, sort of dynamics at play. The SDGs along with that, the other alphabet soup of various initiatives are actually a commercial imperative for this industry.
And a couple of things that come to mind as far as how we can make use of them. One thing is as a kind of North star, as a guide, as a way of prioritizing our energies and our efforts and our investments, if we're ever wondering is one thing more important than another, use the SDG framework as a way of gut checking where you're headed. The other is, as far as the research and the knowledge that we're disseminating, that we're publishing providers have an opportunity to leverage automation and establish infrastructure and standards that will allow us all to better engage with these goals.
You know, we're looking at content and data analysis to measure, to measure impacts, to better understand the value of the research that we're disseminating. SDG metadata frameworks are used to badge articles and draw attention to the ways in which different studies can contribute to, you know, help build the bricks right of the process of moving us closer to solving the world's big problems. So those are some of the first thoughts that come to my mind.
What about you? Absolutely so, hello, everybody. My name is Daly. And also, let me know if you guys can't hear me anything like that. But when we talk about resources and infrastructure, I think it's really important to leverage what we already have available. It's lovely to think about the ways that we could create new systems from the ground up to support these initiatives, but unfortunately, that's not really always the most practical solution.
So supporting existing tools and strategies that are intended and can be used to communicate research to the general population. And to non researchers. So that could include things like videos. We're seeing a really big push for, especially videos that are explaining journal articles with an idea of tailoring it toward a non researcher population as well as blogs and podcasts especially have been exploding recently in popularity and social media as methods to convey important policy changes, new updates, new initiatives, new focuses to a general population to bridge that gap between researchers and non researchers.
I would also say encouraging collaboration, especially interdisciplinary partnerships, is crucial between researchers as well as government bodies, industry sponsors and general population as a way of really leaning into that infrastructure that we currently have and making it work as well as possible. Everyone don't know. Can you hear me? All right, great.
Awesome So I'm Jay. I'm with cactus communications, and I'm an SDG fellow with Claris as well as we have Nikola and bex in the audience. They're also our Fellows, too. But I think what we need to focus in on is really going back to seeing how you can support your authors, because I think everything starts with how well of a job the author does on keywording and utilizing some of these terms within the paper.
My experience has been that when authors do publish things that have to do with SDGs. A lot of them fail to even mention the SDGs in the keywords or the goals, and a lot of times, you can't even find it within the publication itself. So I think that's really where it starts, is you have to start from a very early stage when the authors are actually preparing this content. When your editors are reviewing it, it should be something that should be flagged to the author as to say just one of your five keywords, you know, list the SDG goal or the goal.
And I think from there, once it's in there, then SEO and search engines and discovery services can take that from places like Crossref or unpaywall and make it easily discoverable. So I think that's the first step. I think the next step is that you have to try and get the authors themselves to better explain why their research matters to a practitioner or to a policy maker or even to the general public.
I'm not a researcher by training. When I read research papers, I have my eyes usually gloss over and I fall off the chair. So I use a lot of different tools to summarize the content, to find the highlights from the paper before I decide to actually read the paper. So I think it's really important that the authors also speak in very plain language and that they explain why I should even waste my time or spend my time reading their paper.
So I really think everything does start with the author. And then once the authors are on board, then you can build on top of that with a lot of research, communications, science, communications, social media services and using, you know, artificial intelligence or even things like ChatGPT to distill that content to various different audiences. Yeah, I think it's important to note here, you know, just like the goals overlap in action in one area, you know, influences outcomes in another area.
It's the same in the industry. So, you know, action in one area of the publishing industry is going to influence lots of other sectors. So, you know, the everybody from the panel here, you know, made comments about supporting, you know, other roles within the industry. And I think that's important to make note of. On to our next question. Connecting research and practice.
It's integral to disseminate valuable SDG research to the public. What ways can organizations and researchers communicate and distribute SDG research to practitioners? I want to just pick up on one of the things that Jay just said as far as the plain language aspect, and I think that's really, really key. I think about my own academic experiences and the ways in which my supervisors really coached me to be super precise with language, right?
When you get it to the like, really upper echelons of advanced research, you know, we need precise tools as far as language, but that ends up being a bit jargony and it does become then a barrier not only to practitioners and to the general public, but even to researchers in other fields. And I remember working on my doctoral thesis and reading my abstract to my parents.
My parents both have PhDs in different fields of study and they had no idea what I was talking. Like, can you give us that? But like in plain language, right? And I think if we, like Jay was saying, coaching authors to consider the reader experience from other perspectives, you're not just writing for your niche research audience. You have the opportunity to speak to a bigger audience.
So I think there's a couple of different things, right? Helping authors with plain language, even, you know, giving them a head start, an autogenerated plain language right here. Here's our, you know, rough draft. Make this, you know, a bit better or, you know, refine this as you see fit. Having authors also, you know, identify those key words upon submission feeds into that badging process.
TNF Taylor Francis and elsevier, and there's a handful of others that are starting to experiment with this, you know, this metadata framework where you can associate an article with one or more goals or sub goals. That's a key way of bringing practitioners in because then you can create, you know, the plain language digest of the top 10 articles related to a particular goal. And then there's the use case of, of integration with multimedia, as Daly said, to engage those professional users to capture attention, to bring some of that into a more accessible place for those who have an opportunity to make an impact in the practitioner space.
Um, yeah, that's, that's what I was thinking there. Yeah I don't, I don't think plain language can really be understated. Its importance can possibly be understated in this context. As a research editor, I come from an English language background to review scientific materials before they're submitted. One of my most common comments is this is jargon. How can we convey this in a way that non subject matter experts will be able to interpret and more easily understand going into the idea of reader experience?
So you have your plain language summaries, which are becoming more and more recommended if not required with manuscripts, but also things like executive summaries with white papers, policy briefs, training materials, continuing education. These are like the short form contents where you take the too long didn't read. Summary of core information that needs to be conveyed is a great way to share critical information while being very cognizant of very busy schedules.
For a lot of us, when we embrace SDGs and SDG related research, it's not usually coming with protected time. It's sort of a hat we put on top of some other responsibilities. So being mindful of schedules to try to make things as user friendly as they can be from the get up is very helpful. Um, I also think this branches into the conversation of open access and data sharing, that sort of collaboration of practitioner networks and collaboration, sharing of information, making information as accessible as possible.
And providing opportunities for collaboration. Um, we already talked about both of you guys mentioned with organizing information by SDG themes and having those very well established systems. So your practitioners aren't fighting with how to even find the information that's relevant to them. It's very clear very quickly how they can access what they need to see and prioritizing the research to practice that translational science.
There's a lot of really fantastic research out there and not a ton of, OK, but how do we do it? Or how can this be practically implemented? So prioritizing that gap can make a big difference. Yeah, I mean, I agree with everything that, you know, letty and Daley have said, but I would say. The earlier you start in that process, the better, because going backwards is very time consuming and very costly.
So if you can start with that author journey with the author experience. Then you're going to save yourself a lot of time and money on the back end to go back and say, OK, well, how do we tag this stuff now that we already published it? By that time you might already be too late. And, you know, they're probably going to be people who are not going to want to do it, not going to want to go backwards.
And they'll say, OK, we'll just go forwards. Forget about everything else that's already been published, which creates a whole other problem because then you have issues with discovery. So I would say, you know, try to start as early as possible. When it comes to what you're publishing or what areas you're going to focus on publishing, talk with practitioners. You know, the authors might be your customers, but your audience is practitioners as well.
So talk to your practitioners and find out what areas do they actually want research in. Are you actually publishing in areas that they can utilize? Talk to policy makers to see, hey, is this actually important? Is this something that you can use? And, you know, definitely talk to your readers. They will tell you what they're interested in and what they're not interested in.
And that can help you plan what you're actually going to be publishing. And more likely than not, that's probably going to lead to a greater impact for your journals than just publishing things that your audience isn't interested in. So I think it's really important to talk to the different groups, and I know a lot of times we just end up talking to authors and, you know, authors publish for other authors.
A lot of times they may not be focusing on the people who actually make the change like policy makers or practitioners. So I think it's a really important to have that voice included in your plans. Right onto the diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility are important issues, integral issues for publishing and academic professionals and are closely aligned with SDGs number 5 and 10.
What steps can the panel recommend to organizations to help promote more diversity and equity within an organization? Well, guess I'd first underscore that that inclusivity piece is actually related to everything we've already been talking about as far as bringing it to the public, as far as bringing it to practitioners. But but let me hone in on goal five in particular around gender equity.
There's a couple of really great examples. And if you haven't seen it, the January, January, February issue of learned publishing for this year is fully open this year on it's dedicated to case studies and research related to initiatives in scholarly communications. And there's some great pieces, you know, journal boards that have have, you know, tackled, you know, different issues in a very specific way.
But in particular for gender equity and what we can do in the publishing industry to help mitigate the negative impacts of traditional patriarchal constructs, I think about, say, de gruyter's work around the name change policy. They have put lovely workflow in place that allows authors to come back after something's published and make a name change and connect the original published name with the new name and that's true too for pronouns related to their work.
there's another example with um, the folks at Clarivate I believe it was ProQuest committee. They, they looked at a taxonomy that would help them support various types of identity, self identified, you know, whether it be race or culture or gender. Et cetera. They really worked hard to figure out how they could establish a taxonomy that would support that and read their case study in Lerner publishing.
It's really interesting. The decision they came to was actually not to force constructs on authors, but instead to, you know, find ways to leave it a more open ended mechanism, a more open ended workflow for authors to self-identify in various ways. And then goal ten, of course, speaking to reducing inequities more broadly in this category, I think providers can improve our industry's awareness in particular and awareness of and support for those with disabilities.
And and again, I want to point out a piece that's in that learning publishing issue that looks at Mass data collection and capture for publishers, for providers of information and data services in our sector to better understand different types of disabilities. And again, to have, you know, to have staff and managers, you know, self-identify, to be able to, you know, explain their experiences and then in the reverse, use that data to better support them, to have a better insight into what those experiences are and what sorts of things need to change within our organizations to support those.
One of the things that I think ends up happening is, you know, there's, you know, there's some disabilities that may be really blatant and obvious and that can be awkward in and of itself. And then there's plenty of disabilities that are not overtly obvious. So allowing more room for our colleagues to identify whether that be gender related, whether that be accessed related, there's definitely some good initiatives underway in that space.
Absolutely right before this panel, I was listening the room across the way had a panel that was focusing on building trust with underrepresented populations. And they used the term bad faith and really focused in on the fact that we have a lot of really lovely tips and information and talk about the importance of DACA. But there's not so much when it comes to actual practical implementation of those initiatives.
It's lovely to talk about the need for these things. It's not always as easy to actually establish these practices in a way that makes sense for an organization. I would say one of the best things that an organization, especially a mid to large organization, can do, is establishing a diversity and equity office especially, you know, or rather Alternatively a smaller, a smaller company having a diversity and equity champion at moffat, we have team member engagement networks that are part of those, the diversity and equity office.
I'm actually it's funny you mentioned before the founding chair of a disability team member network called disability ability being network, and the really fantastic thing about team member engagement networks is that it is designed and structured around giving direct FaceTime between members of underrepresented populations and senior leaders in the organization who can actually be leaders of creating actionable change.
So having that office, a group that is responsible for quantifiable and measurable metrics of disability versus just having an institutional policy statement, you know, that's lovely, but actually being able to track diversity and hiring and promotion practices, doing pay equity audits, these sorts of actionable strategies that can be implemented goes a long way in proving a dedication to diversity versus stating a dedication to diversity.
And I think also, going into that a more of an organizational level is mandatory trainings. It doesn't have to be extensive, but maybe annual trainings for employees about unconscious bias with the option of voluntary, more extensive training is a great way of getting a universal, fundamental understanding of the importance of diversity and equity inclusion through an organization. No, I mean, all I like to add is.
I do wish more people would tell their stories and share their stories. And I know more and more people are talking about their experiences. And within industry. Personal life, you know, you know, when they are in University or whatever it might be. But I think more people should be telling their stories and sharing them.
We have the platforms to do it, and I think we just really help a lot of other people kind of feel like, OK, this person understands what I'm going through or I can relate. You know, other people have been there because I think a lot of people get into a space where they feel very lonely and isolated. So I think hearing your stories would really help them, you know, especially with the issues.
And, you know, equity is pretty much the one underlying thing across all of the sustainable development goals. And I think that's the one thing that, you know, besides sustainable development, I think it's also about delivering equity to people of different backgrounds, income levels, faiths, whatever, education levels. So I think it's, you know, it's the one thing that underlies everything.
And so we should tell stories, try to use tools that help people tell their stories, try to help use tools that communicate the research that you're publishing. So, you know, look at things like chatgpt, don't be scared of it. See how you can leverage it to communicate your research. Look at audio as a way of communicating it. Short form videos like TikTok.
I think that's really powerful is to help your authors do that, to get them comfortable enough to say, hey, do a 30 second video on why anybody should care about your research. Do it on your own. Give them a guide. You don't have to finance it. They don't have to spend any money on it. They just have to spend 30s doing it.
So I think it's things like that that would really help, you know, further sustainable development and also help you highlight all the great work that you're doing. Yeah, you know, I think it's really important, you know, when we talk about SDG research or really research in general. And the idea that, you know, we keep action and implementation in mind, you know, the end goal in mind. Um, and I think there's a lot of, you know, in the words of Elvis, a little less conversation, a little more action type thing.
So just, you know, that was great. Yeah Amen. Open science and data sharing, open science and data sharing developments continue to be ongoing within academia. How do open science and data sharing policies further the sdgs? Well, gosh, as Jay said, you know, the value that is the undercurrent for all 17 goals is equity.
Reducing barriers to access. Leveling the playing field and not just because that sounds like a really nice thing to do. You know, not just because that's a good conversation and it's good pr, but actually because it helps move progress forward. It helps move. Both including all relevant groups, everyone who wants to be at the table, but but also making it available to anyone from any sector who may bring something new to the table.
And help solve those problems. So there's a value undercurrent that's key. And then there's a practical just implementation piece that's key. I think disrupting those pay for access models, you know, it's not about trying to hurt, you know, the industry or trying to, you know, topple the commercial enterprise. It's about leveling that playing field. It's about opening the door to more folks who have been historically excluded.
So there's so much at both, you know, that value level and the practical level, I think that are key around open science principles and data sharing. Of course, also has you know, we were talking about this before, before the session, you know, so many variable aspects across different fields of study. So sorry, yelling into the mic now getting excited. You know, when we look at the infrastructure that we can build that helps us identify the connection between the research we're publishing and those 17 goals, one or more of those goals, we're building a framework for folks to be involved, to be to step up and to be part of the problem solving.
I think it's also a matter of educating authors. Again, you know, having just finished a doctoral program, none of my supervisors talk to me about open access. Nobody was saying data sharing. No, we had one librarian who came and talked to us about a data management plan, and then we were expected to just get that done and do it. Now, keep in mind, information science is my field and that is not a heavily grant funded field.
But this is the sort of thing. If we were helping to authors to understand the ways in which we can all contribute to these wider goals. I'm telling you, there are so many researchers who would love to participate. They just don't understand that they can have an impact. So I think there's so many tenants. There was a little bit all over the place. Apologies no, I think that's so important.
Like one of my favorite aspects of my job is how much I get to work with early career investigators, people who are working on their first paper, or at least their first authored paper, and being able to provide that sort of information about what is open access, where do you get the money for open access? Who's paying for it? You know, just all of the factors that go into open science overall can be so complicated.
And when it comes to the intersection between open science and SDGS, I see three primary SDGs that are affected being the third, which is good health and well being kind of clear. Their accessibility to information is beneficial for collective knowledge and diversification of that information and access. The fourth SDG quality education. Open science means that people who would have otherwise been financially excluded from accessing current research are now able to stay up to date with the newest discoveries.
And innovations. Without those paywalls in the way. And the 10th SDG being reduced inequalities where at least from my perspective in biomedical sciences, there's a real problem with non diverse patient bases used for research and not having the a representative population of patients involved in studies and not reflecting all communities equitably.
This is something that works for one population, may not be as effective for another population, so having data sharing allows for the reuse of information to build more geographically and demographically diverse data sets. Of course, that's predicated on data sharing and the idea of reusing reuse of data, which is, as you know, we were talking about an area that's currently under development, maybe to say it kindly.
But one thing I would caution with open science is being aware that it's not a universal good, especially with the Nelson memo recently coming out that requires all us funded research to have data requisition. Um, the there's a carbon footprint to storing all that data like that is a massive amount of data that is now expected to be held for 10 plus years in servers.
Internationally, a lot of people are looking to deposit their data. In more than one repository. So we always have to be mindful of the double edged blade with anything that we look at in open science is certainly one of those that is lovely and I'm a proponent, but we also have to be mindful of where it can be not as helpful. It's not free.
It's not free. Yes Yeah. There's always a cost to everything and some of it is good, some of it is bad. But I think when it comes to open science and open access, you know, one of the cool products I get to work on is an app called our discovery. And we love open access because we can do so many cool things with it.
Like we can generate summaries and highlights and that really helps our users understand the paper very quickly before they decide to spend 20 or 30 minutes reading the full paper. And we see that typically conversion rates go up by 30% or 40% from reading an abstract versus reading a summary. We're testing out, you know, interesting things like doing translation.
So when we talk about equity, one of the biggest things is localization of that content. Just because you publish in English and you put it out there doesn't mean everyone's going to be able to utilize it or understand it. So translating it, utilizing things like deep L or other services to translate it for your audiences is really important. One of the other things that we're playing around with is using AI for audio generation.
I mean, these are tools that your authors, your readers, your audiences are probably playing around with, and they would love to see your journals or your organizations test that out, embrace it, play with it, and share it with them. So, you know, I think open access has been a huge benefit to us, and I think it's been a huge benefit to a lot of startups that have created a lot of cool, interesting products from that data.
And, you know, I wish more organizations would maybe even go back and say, OK, well, how do we make all that closed data available so we can maybe build a better story and try to go from where did we start and where are we now? And tell the story that for all of that, you know, of that subject area, whatever it might be, to help us build that knowledge? And I think the other thing is, while open access is really great, the other piece that's important is research communication.
If you are not if you or your authors aren't communicating that research to the audiences, other people are, and those other people may not have good intentions, as we've seen with covid, as we've seen with climate change over the last 4 or 5 decades, and the role that the oil industry and politicians have played in convincing way too many people that climate change isn't real, that it's a hallucination or that it's not human caused.
And that's because there's a vacuum there between what you're publishing and what you're communicating. And if you leave, if you let other people tell other people, tell your story, you're going to lose control over that story. So I think it's really important to not only embrace open access, but also embrace research, communication, and get your authors to do a better job of communicating that. Yeah Yeah.
I think if you guys go away just with anything today from this session, it's communication and collaboration across the industry is just incredibly important to achieving these SDGs and furthering SDG research. So we wanted to get a question in here about partnerships because that's really integral to all of this. And so achieving the SDGs requires worldwide collaboration and partnerships.
How can organizations or individuals within scholarly publishing come together to further the SDG goal number 17 partnerships for the goals? And additionally, what SDG related collaborations excuse me, collaborations or partnerships are you or your organization involved in? well, I'm not big into tooting my own horn, but let me mention again, lauded publishing January, February issue.
It really is a great issue. It really is a great issue. If you haven't had a look at it, you really should. And it's open for the entire year. I served as the editor of that issue and learned so much through the amazing contributors. And so many case studies. You know, the identity taxonomy committee, you know, the joint commitment to equity and inclusion is brought together.
You know, there's so many examples in that issue of how providers are working together to drive change. Um, again, with my outsole hat on, you know, I think the, the only way global ambitions like the SDGS, massive world changing ambitions like the SDGS, the only way those are going to succeed is if we're working together, if we're working in unison, so that strong community support across this industry is, is really, really key.
Um, I would, you know, throw out again, the infrastructure and metadata piece. I've been active in, in ISO and other standards organizations. Um, and I guess on a sort of personal professional level, I have a passion for accessibility. Digital accessibility in particular. So with my kind of consulting hat on related to digital product development, digital product management, you know, I've built over the years a specialty, you know, around accessibility.
And So when providers come to me and we talk about accessibility projects, there's always a discount on my rate for accessibility projects because it is a passion of mine. I do want to lower the barrier for providers to do the right thing. As Jay said, it's so hard retroactively to go back and, you know, retag and rework structures for content that's already published.
So helping publishers pick a line in the sand where they're going to, you know, be WCAG compliant. The Web Content Accessibility Guidelines is the prevailing global standard around digital accessibility. So anything I can do to help, you know, publishers, you know, pick the date that they're going to start complying and make that business as usual going forward is always something that I'm looking for.
So those are the things that come to my mind. Yeah, I'd echo the importance of metadata and building out that infrastructure as a key first step. You can't collaborate on what you can't discover. There's a fundamental need to have the foundation set before anything can be built that is able to withstand the tumultuousness of our world currently. Um, I'd reiterate using platforms that are already available, such as practitioner networks and social media, as ways of connecting with people all across the globe, across industries or across the street.
It's a great way all of those platforms are great ways of kickstarting collaboration, working groups and contacts like I know we've mentioned a couple of times. They're also a good way to get involved. But it's also important to recognize that not all of us necessarily have the power to say we're joining the SDG Publishers contract. So recognizing the influence that people who maybe are a little lower down the ladder can still have in an organization by promoting sustainable practices and opening those dialogues, bringing it up with your managers, with people who are upstream.
Um, just getting that conversation started. So that your organization can be as best set up as possible to be ready for those collaborations when they do come along. And when those opportunities present themselves. That's a great point. Yeah um, so I so when two years ago when I joined cactus, I had no clue what SDGs were. And I was told about a month into it that, hey, we're going to sign the publisher's contract.
I said, well, that's great. What does that mean to me? And they're like, well, since you're the newest person in here, you're going to take care of it. I'm like, oh, great. But I was fortunate enough that, um, somehow I got invited to join the SDG publisher compact Fellows, and I ended up being with a bunch of people who are just absolutely brilliant at what they do and are super committed to the SDGs.
You know, definitely, you know Nicole. Nicole is one of them. Becks, Clarice. We have folks from academia. We have folks from publishers. And it's one of the best examples of a collaborative network around the SDGs that's out there. And I mean, it's amazing.
We have calls every Tuesday and almost every. One makes every call we set aside at least a mean. We try to get through our agenda, but we usually get stuck like on the first two points every time, no matter how hard we try. And we've done a couple of solution summits and you know, we're always trying to talk to publishers that haven't signed it and try to talk them into signing it. There is no carrot.
I mean, the carrot is you get to be with awesome people, but there is absolutely no stick to signing the Publishers Compact. Um, and even if you're not a signatory, if you're doing work in SDGS, you should be sharing it. The international Publishers Association has a really cool SDG dashboard where you can submit your SDG work and other publishers will be able to discover it on the dashboard.
So I think that's really great. Um, but yeah, so I mean, I was lucky enough to be welcomed into the Fellows group. We're always looking for new, new members, you know, to come in and talk to us, talk about your cool little projects that you're working on. If you need help with something, you know, we're there to help and we're really looking to work with other associations too.
So I know, we'd love to work with SSP with, you know, we're working with STM very closely, alps, cope AEs. So we're working with all these different organizations to try to build, I think, a common framework for furthering the SDGs versus everyone just working all on their own. Um, so yeah, I mean collaboration is, you know, is definitely key to the success of this. Yeah and I just want to just emphasize again that if anyone is interested in the Fellows group, come see me.
We all raise your hand. Rebecca and Nicola here. have a session tomorrow too, on SDGs. If anyone is interested, just a quick plug there. But that's all the questions I have for our panel today. To conclude. We have a myriad of resources for you guys that we've put together. Really, everything that was mentioned here today is LinkedIn the slideshow.
We have everything from dashboards to SDG initiatives from a lot of familiar names within the industry. Um, a couple of good, great papers as well as the learned publishing a special issue. And then we have a bunch of links with just general SDG type knowledge resources. So that's the end of our Q&A with our panel. And I think we'd like to open up the floor for Q&A with the audience.
If anybody has any questions, please approach the mic. Thanks seems like we did a great job. Yeah, that's it. Answered all the questions. Yeah, I guess so. Oh, and if you haven't, I'm sorry if you haven't answered the questions. Pull questions in our app.
Please have a look and answer those because we're really interested in what you guys have to say. Um, so I have a question about, I guess, authenticity and engaging with the SDGs. That's something that we're seeing. You know, more and more publishers start talking about how this is something that's really important to them related to what came up in the session. How do we, as an industry make sure that when people are talking about their commitment to the SDGS, it's real.
It's not just something that people are saying to gain some sort of competitive advantage or increasingly not even an advantage to just be part of the pack. I mean, I'll say that from everything I've seen, I don't think there is any sort of. Disingenuous disingenuity on the part of publishers. You know, I think they are really not only just talking the talk, but they're also walking it.
I know Springer Nature does a lot of stuff. You know, I forget exactly. I mean, I've you know, I've seen posts on LinkedIn like you guys are doing sustainable cooking. You know, you're using like they have these internal contests where people are saying, hey, how sustainable am I? Am I more sustainable than my colleagues? And, you know, I you know, I love seeing that stuff and I wish that we could do it, you know, industry wide where we could just have a competition across, you know, different publishers to see who's more sustainable.
Um, you know, and definitely more and more, um, organizations are looking to have internal champions or SDG sustainability heads. And at least from what I've seen, you know, I don't think anyone's trying to gain an advantage or, you know, or is saying one thing and doing another. I think they're all trying to, you know, really be committed to what they're saying.
Go ahead. I would say 2 or 2 responses come to mind. One of which is a little more lofty and idealistic and one is maybe a bit more actionable. The lovely, perfect world. Lofty would be wonderful. Responses, incentives. No idea who would be willing to foot that bill, but having an incentive program established for not just, like you said, signing up, but actually showing up and making those changes would be lovely from a more actionable approach.
I think a key part of this that sometimes is overlooked is the value of metrics and quantifiable information. It's a lot easier to talk pretty and speak about your commitment and it can be a little more challenging or take a little bit more effort to lie by numbers. So having systems of metrics in place to track actual those, those actual commitments to sustainability is a way of proving and showing, you know, our organization is walking the walk as well as talking the talk and also a way to nicely hold others accountable of saying it's wonderful that you guys voiced this demonstration, like you voiced this dedication rather to the SDGs.
Can't help but notice that these metrics haven't exactly tipped to substantially how can we get this moving forward. Yeah yeah, and that makes me think again of the Lerner publishing issue. Our focus was not tell us why we should do these things. Tell us how your values are aligned. Tell us what you're doing to make change and improve people's lives. And I don't know, maybe it's the pragmatist in me.
I don't care necessarily what the motives up and do the work. I'm on board. So the authenticity piece, I think, is proven in showing up, getting it done, making a change, establishing a new workflow that, you know, allows for, you know, more diverse identities, signing on to the coalition, you know, being part of the pack. As you say, we're not all going to have the same needs and wants out of that.
So it's a great question. It's a great question. Two comments come to mind with that question. The first is because there really aren't any that many. I mean, besides saving the world, guess is an incentive. But there really aren't many, you know, direct incentives, as we've said. So if somebody somebody's getting involved, they're probably, you know, not disingenuous about it, because there aren't really that many incentives besides maybe just riding the wave.
The second from working with a lot of people standpoint is if you want to really know if an organization or a person is being disingenuous about something or specifically about the SDGS, I would try to find the person that's in charge of that initiative and ask them, ask them specifically about their sustainability initiatives in their personal life. So like, if you ask me, you know, I come from an agricultural background, so I'm going to tell you all kinds of stuff about the things that I do myself or things that I've implemented in my personal life because I'm passionate about it.
And, you know, I think that would come through in any kind of initiative that I'm involved with. That's a great point. Um, so you talked a lot about using tools and platforms that already exist, which maybe sort of get where you're going with that. But I'm just interested to hear more of your thought process or why you emphasize that so much in this conversation.
Yeah, absolutely. Um, I think a lot of my perspective, I think that's come through on a couple of responses is a focus on things that are immediately actionable. Um, there's a lot. I love the conversations about systems that could be established. I love conversations about improving systems that we have, but I think it's sort of a reality check of checking back since six months later on some of those initiatives.
And seeing what progress has been made. So I think if you can lower the barrier to entry for a lot of these plans by making them as. Hello effort in the sense of requiring the fewest resources as possible. The best set you are to be able to have something to show for your initiatives, especially when we talk about, you know, actually showing up with sustainability with Dia.
It's lovely to voice your dedication. It's lovely to talk about plans, but I tend to focus on strategies that are as immediately, most immediately implementable. If think that's implementable as can be possible. There you go. Yeah familiarity, right? Yeah Yeah. That's that's a major part of it too.
It's a lot easier to get someone to buy in on something they're already part of or already familiar with versus having them get that buy in on a completely new platform that they don't have that user experience with. Yeah, really good point. Um, just a quick comment that just goes along with one of our poll questions. You know, what's the biggest challenge to more publishers embracing the SDGs was one of the questions we asked.
And I'm reading lack of resources to devote prioritization, cost. Lack of prioritization. So, you know, if you're trying to convince an organization to sort get the ball rolling using the resources that they already have available is probably a great place to start. So, yeah, lowers the barrier, especially with things like social media that are free.
Anyone can make an account. Um, I'm Paige at American Geophysical union, and I recently assessed our content for SDGs just using dimensions database because they have a machine learning tool. Um, and I showed it to our editors. We published 23 journals and we all got together actually for a retreat. And we talked about implementing SDGs in our content.
Um, one of the issues was not trusting a third party way of assessing content for SDGs. And I think some of the editors who didn't see any connection, like very low proportion of their journal articles were related to SDG when she knew deep down inside it more should have been assessed connected to an SDG. Are you? And it's related to one of the poll questions. Are you seeing efforts for maybe like an open, transparent, trustworthy way process for tagging content that's not necessarily at the author level because that's difficult to verify and go through peer review.
Maybe it's at like a machine learning level, but I different publishers are doing different things, but maybe a joint effort would probably be better. Yeah, so good question and it gives me an opportunity to talk about it because I love talking about this. Um, but at STM we have been amongst publishers and vendors. We have been talking about a SDG classifier for the industry, which brings together taxonomies from several publishers and vendors under one single system that could be easily implementable for publishers, small to large.
So then we would be using basically a large language model to tag your articles or your books to the specific most closely related SDG, rather than having to say, hey, you know, implement. I mean, it would be great if your authors would do it from the start, but there's a lot of content that you're not going to be able to do that with. But our goal is to stm's goal is to build this query classifier system so you can feed your data into it.
And then the output would be what goes it's most closely related to. So we are. So there is work going on in that space. And there is actually. So if you hugging face, actually, if you want to play around with it, gang Face actually has an SDG classifier that's built on GPT and it works pretty well.
But again, it's, you know, it's a public it's an open system. So you have to be kind of careful with it. But you can certainly test it out with some old content and see how closely it relates to what your editors think. I mean, we've built one on one of our own on GPT three and 3.5, and it works really well. But again, it's just a little toy that our developers built to see how, you know, how well it would do.
So it's not available to the public, but it's just something that we play around with internally to test our own systems. It seems like the ideal balance is, you know, neither purely authors or purely AI, but humans in the loop, right? Like maybe AI helps us, gives us a jump, gives us the first go at keywords or tagging or plain language summaries.
And then authors, reviewers, editors come in and validate. So maybe a combination of the two, perhaps. Yeah, I would say it's important to recognize that it's kind of a complicated time and topic because overarchingly in society it's trust in AI, in language models is one of the biggest conversations we are having as a society right now. The idea of regulation non-regulation where government comes into play with this sort of thing.
So it would be there's a lot of great initiatives if you talked about that are being undertaken, but there's also a lot that remains to be seen about the future and open accessibility of these, you know, these large learning models. Um, and it's going the outcome in the publishing sector is inherently going to be dependent on the outcome on a societal scale of what we, you know, there's never going to be a unified response of we're all on board or we all don't like it, but what the prevailing narrative becomes.
Just plug. But I'm going to plug a little bit. Cable cables is involved in a partnership right now with Saint Joseph's University's School of Business. Kind of like they're using AI. We're using AI. We're doing lots of things with AI, and it's in development.
Guess what I'm saying is we feel your pain about, you know, this trust thing. And third parties. Anyway, the partnership is about evaluating SDG research output at the journal level. Um, and it's, it's in development and you know, people are trying to do the same things at the article level and you know, we're trying to use that kind of stuff that you're getting from the article level up to the journal level.
And it would be nice if everyone could come together to standardize some things, right? Because then everyone would know what the standard was. And so I think, um, I say all that to say, you know, things are in development. Hopefully something will come along and we can get some kind of framework together for, for an industry standard for that. Yeah, that's, that's another point of we've got to work together, you know, we can't all be going off and doing our own tagging.
Trust is built, you know, not granted. So you got to be part of the solution to have that buy in. Yeah and I would say if you were part of other associations and you happen to be on a committee or anything like that, get them on board and you know, let's see if we can work together between what we're doing at the Fellows, what people at SSP are doing and are doing, and let's try to cooperate to build something versus having seven different versions of something.
Let's try to have one that works for everyone. The questions, comments, questions anymore. Now, I think we just really appreciate you. People showing up this way speaking of showing up, doing the work. I know, I know. For some of you, it's like 300 in the morning. So yes.
Well, I guess we certainly appreciate your attention. And guess we'll call that the end of our session. So Thank you, guys. We appreciate everybody.
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Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our session. Today's discussion about sustainability, open science and scholarly communications is going to be in a roundtable type format with prompts and responses from our panel. My name is Clarice Martel. I'm with caballes and I'm also a SDG Publishers Compact fellow.
And with me today on the panel, I've got letty Conrad from outsole Inc, Daley white with Moffitt Cancer center, and Jay Patel with cactus communications, who is also a SDG Publishers Compact fellow. So before we dive in, I wanted to take a moment to encourage everyone to have a look at our poll questions within the app for this session. We'd certainly like to hear some responses and hear from you guys.
So to begin, I wanted to provide everyone with a brief overview of what the United Nations sustainability goals are and how they're applicable to the publishing industry. In 2015, the United Nations adopted 17 goals to ensure improve life here on earth, and these goals range from improving socioeconomic conditions to things like climate change and other important environmental issues.
And I want to emphasize that the goals here have them up here. 17 are they overlap? So action in one area is going to affect outcomes in another area. So how does that apply to us in the publishing industry at large? What can we do to help? What role do we have to play? Really, all of us have a role to play.
And I think the most integral role that the publishing industry, you know, can contribute is the dissemination and availability, making research available within the industry, but also getting it into the hands of the public, into the hands of practitioners that are going to implement that research. So whether you're a researcher, whether you're a librarian, an editor, a vendor to the industry, everyone's got their part to play here.
So that leads me into our first question for the panel. How can publishing professionals and the scholarly community in general take advantage, take advantage of resources or infrastructure to help communities better understand and apply SDG related research? We're going to start here with leti. Hi, everybody. Leti Conrad with outsole Inc. If you're not familiar, we are a research and advisory firm for information and data companies.
Everybody can hear me OK. I'm not like hovering on the mic, so let me know if you can't hear me. Um, so I guess a couple of things come to mind with this question and with my outsole hat on, I would say the SDGS, along with the alphabet soup of lots of other sorts of related efforts, whether it's ESG, whether it's Dia, you know, we're looking at diversity, equity, inclusion, or we're looking at environmental, social, governmental pressures.
These these initiatives, these campaigns are not just feel good, good PR gee, this sounds like a nice to have sort of thing. You know, part of what outsole is doing is watching market Bookshare and size and how people are investing in the commercial, you know, sort of dynamics at play. The SDGs along with that, the other alphabet soup of various initiatives are actually a commercial imperative for this industry.
And a couple of things that come to mind as far as how we can make use of them. One thing is as a kind of North star, as a guide, as a way of prioritizing our energies and our efforts and our investments, if we're ever wondering is one thing more important than another, use the SDG framework as a way of gut checking where you're headed. The other is, as far as the research and the knowledge that we're disseminating, that we're publishing providers have an opportunity to leverage automation and establish infrastructure and standards that will allow us all to better engage with these goals.
You know, we're looking at content and data analysis to measure, to measure impacts, to better understand the value of the research that we're disseminating. SDG metadata frameworks are used to badge articles and draw attention to the ways in which different studies can contribute to, you know, help build the bricks right of the process of moving us closer to solving the world's big problems. So those are some of the first thoughts that come to my mind.
What about you? Absolutely so, hello, everybody. My name is Daly. And also, let me know if you guys can't hear me anything like that. But when we talk about resources and infrastructure, I think it's really important to leverage what we already have available. It's lovely to think about the ways that we could create new systems from the ground up to support these initiatives, but unfortunately, that's not really always the most practical solution.
So supporting existing tools and strategies that are intended and can be used to communicate research to the general population. And to non researchers. So that could include things like videos. We're seeing a really big push for, especially videos that are explaining journal articles with an idea of tailoring it toward a non researcher population as well as blogs and podcasts especially have been exploding recently in popularity and social media as methods to convey important policy changes, new updates, new initiatives, new focuses to a general population to bridge that gap between researchers and non researchers.
I would also say encouraging collaboration, especially interdisciplinary partnerships, is crucial between researchers as well as government bodies, industry sponsors and general population as a way of really leaning into that infrastructure that we currently have and making it work as well as possible. Everyone don't know. Can you hear me? All right, great.
Awesome So I'm Jay. I'm with cactus communications, and I'm an SDG fellow with Claris as well as we have Nikola and bex in the audience. They're also our Fellows, too. But I think what we need to focus in on is really going back to seeing how you can support your authors, because I think everything starts with how well of a job the author does on keywording and utilizing some of these terms within the paper.
My experience has been that when authors do publish things that have to do with SDGs. A lot of them fail to even mention the SDGs in the keywords or the goals, and a lot of times, you can't even find it within the publication itself. So I think that's really where it starts, is you have to start from a very early stage when the authors are actually preparing this content. When your editors are reviewing it, it should be something that should be flagged to the author as to say just one of your five keywords, you know, list the SDG goal or the goal.
And I think from there, once it's in there, then SEO and search engines and discovery services can take that from places like Crossref or unpaywall and make it easily discoverable. So I think that's the first step. I think the next step is that you have to try and get the authors themselves to better explain why their research matters to a practitioner or to a policy maker or even to the general public.
I'm not a researcher by training. When I read research papers, I have my eyes usually gloss over and I fall off the chair. So I use a lot of different tools to summarize the content, to find the highlights from the paper before I decide to actually read the paper. So I think it's really important that the authors also speak in very plain language and that they explain why I should even waste my time or spend my time reading their paper.
So I really think everything does start with the author. And then once the authors are on board, then you can build on top of that with a lot of research, communications, science, communications, social media services and using, you know, artificial intelligence or even things like ChatGPT to distill that content to various different audiences. Yeah, I think it's important to note here, you know, just like the goals overlap in action in one area, you know, influences outcomes in another area.
It's the same in the industry. So, you know, action in one area of the publishing industry is going to influence lots of other sectors. So, you know, the everybody from the panel here, you know, made comments about supporting, you know, other roles within the industry. And I think that's important to make note of. On to our next question. Connecting research and practice.
It's integral to disseminate valuable SDG research to the public. What ways can organizations and researchers communicate and distribute SDG research to practitioners? I want to just pick up on one of the things that Jay just said as far as the plain language aspect, and I think that's really, really key. I think about my own academic experiences and the ways in which my supervisors really coached me to be super precise with language, right?
When you get it to the like, really upper echelons of advanced research, you know, we need precise tools as far as language, but that ends up being a bit jargony and it does become then a barrier not only to practitioners and to the general public, but even to researchers in other fields. And I remember working on my doctoral thesis and reading my abstract to my parents.
My parents both have PhDs in different fields of study and they had no idea what I was talking. Like, can you give us that? But like in plain language, right? And I think if we, like Jay was saying, coaching authors to consider the reader experience from other perspectives, you're not just writing for your niche research audience. You have the opportunity to speak to a bigger audience.
So I think there's a couple of different things, right? Helping authors with plain language, even, you know, giving them a head start, an autogenerated plain language right here. Here's our, you know, rough draft. Make this, you know, a bit better or, you know, refine this as you see fit. Having authors also, you know, identify those key words upon submission feeds into that badging process.
TNF Taylor Francis and elsevier, and there's a handful of others that are starting to experiment with this, you know, this metadata framework where you can associate an article with one or more goals or sub goals. That's a key way of bringing practitioners in because then you can create, you know, the plain language digest of the top 10 articles related to a particular goal. And then there's the use case of, of integration with multimedia, as Daly said, to engage those professional users to capture attention, to bring some of that into a more accessible place for those who have an opportunity to make an impact in the practitioner space.
Um, yeah, that's, that's what I was thinking there. Yeah I don't, I don't think plain language can really be understated. Its importance can possibly be understated in this context. As a research editor, I come from an English language background to review scientific materials before they're submitted. One of my most common comments is this is jargon. How can we convey this in a way that non subject matter experts will be able to interpret and more easily understand going into the idea of reader experience?
So you have your plain language summaries, which are becoming more and more recommended if not required with manuscripts, but also things like executive summaries with white papers, policy briefs, training materials, continuing education. These are like the short form contents where you take the too long didn't read. Summary of core information that needs to be conveyed is a great way to share critical information while being very cognizant of very busy schedules.
For a lot of us, when we embrace SDGs and SDG related research, it's not usually coming with protected time. It's sort of a hat we put on top of some other responsibilities. So being mindful of schedules to try to make things as user friendly as they can be from the get up is very helpful. Um, I also think this branches into the conversation of open access and data sharing, that sort of collaboration of practitioner networks and collaboration, sharing of information, making information as accessible as possible.
And providing opportunities for collaboration. Um, we already talked about both of you guys mentioned with organizing information by SDG themes and having those very well established systems. So your practitioners aren't fighting with how to even find the information that's relevant to them. It's very clear very quickly how they can access what they need to see and prioritizing the research to practice that translational science.
There's a lot of really fantastic research out there and not a ton of, OK, but how do we do it? Or how can this be practically implemented? So prioritizing that gap can make a big difference. Yeah, I mean, I agree with everything that, you know, letty and Daley have said, but I would say. The earlier you start in that process, the better, because going backwards is very time consuming and very costly.
So if you can start with that author journey with the author experience. Then you're going to save yourself a lot of time and money on the back end to go back and say, OK, well, how do we tag this stuff now that we already published it? By that time you might already be too late. And, you know, they're probably going to be people who are not going to want to do it, not going to want to go backwards.
And they'll say, OK, we'll just go forwards. Forget about everything else that's already been published, which creates a whole other problem because then you have issues with discovery. So I would say, you know, try to start as early as possible. When it comes to what you're publishing or what areas you're going to focus on publishing, talk with practitioners. You know, the authors might be your customers, but your audience is practitioners as well.
So talk to your practitioners and find out what areas do they actually want research in. Are you actually publishing in areas that they can utilize? Talk to policy makers to see, hey, is this actually important? Is this something that you can use? And, you know, definitely talk to your readers. They will tell you what they're interested in and what they're not interested in.
And that can help you plan what you're actually going to be publishing. And more likely than not, that's probably going to lead to a greater impact for your journals than just publishing things that your audience isn't interested in. So I think it's really important to talk to the different groups, and I know a lot of times we just end up talking to authors and, you know, authors publish for other authors.
A lot of times they may not be focusing on the people who actually make the change like policy makers or practitioners. So I think it's a really important to have that voice included in your plans. Right onto the diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility are important issues, integral issues for publishing and academic professionals and are closely aligned with SDGs number 5 and 10.
What steps can the panel recommend to organizations to help promote more diversity and equity within an organization? Well, guess I'd first underscore that that inclusivity piece is actually related to everything we've already been talking about as far as bringing it to the public, as far as bringing it to practitioners. But but let me hone in on goal five in particular around gender equity.
There's a couple of really great examples. And if you haven't seen it, the January, January, February issue of learned publishing for this year is fully open this year on it's dedicated to case studies and research related to initiatives in scholarly communications. And there's some great pieces, you know, journal boards that have have, you know, tackled, you know, different issues in a very specific way.
But in particular for gender equity and what we can do in the publishing industry to help mitigate the negative impacts of traditional patriarchal constructs, I think about, say, de gruyter's work around the name change policy. They have put lovely workflow in place that allows authors to come back after something's published and make a name change and connect the original published name with the new name and that's true too for pronouns related to their work.
there's another example with um, the folks at Clarivate I believe it was ProQuest committee. They, they looked at a taxonomy that would help them support various types of identity, self identified, you know, whether it be race or culture or gender. Et cetera. They really worked hard to figure out how they could establish a taxonomy that would support that and read their case study in Lerner publishing.
It's really interesting. The decision they came to was actually not to force constructs on authors, but instead to, you know, find ways to leave it a more open ended mechanism, a more open ended workflow for authors to self-identify in various ways. And then goal ten, of course, speaking to reducing inequities more broadly in this category, I think providers can improve our industry's awareness in particular and awareness of and support for those with disabilities.
And and again, I want to point out a piece that's in that learning publishing issue that looks at Mass data collection and capture for publishers, for providers of information and data services in our sector to better understand different types of disabilities. And again, to have, you know, to have staff and managers, you know, self-identify, to be able to, you know, explain their experiences and then in the reverse, use that data to better support them, to have a better insight into what those experiences are and what sorts of things need to change within our organizations to support those.
One of the things that I think ends up happening is, you know, there's, you know, there's some disabilities that may be really blatant and obvious and that can be awkward in and of itself. And then there's plenty of disabilities that are not overtly obvious. So allowing more room for our colleagues to identify whether that be gender related, whether that be accessed related, there's definitely some good initiatives underway in that space.
Absolutely right before this panel, I was listening the room across the way had a panel that was focusing on building trust with underrepresented populations. And they used the term bad faith and really focused in on the fact that we have a lot of really lovely tips and information and talk about the importance of DACA. But there's not so much when it comes to actual practical implementation of those initiatives.
It's lovely to talk about the need for these things. It's not always as easy to actually establish these practices in a way that makes sense for an organization. I would say one of the best things that an organization, especially a mid to large organization, can do, is establishing a diversity and equity office especially, you know, or rather Alternatively a smaller, a smaller company having a diversity and equity champion at moffat, we have team member engagement networks that are part of those, the diversity and equity office.
I'm actually it's funny you mentioned before the founding chair of a disability team member network called disability ability being network, and the really fantastic thing about team member engagement networks is that it is designed and structured around giving direct FaceTime between members of underrepresented populations and senior leaders in the organization who can actually be leaders of creating actionable change.
So having that office, a group that is responsible for quantifiable and measurable metrics of disability versus just having an institutional policy statement, you know, that's lovely, but actually being able to track diversity and hiring and promotion practices, doing pay equity audits, these sorts of actionable strategies that can be implemented goes a long way in proving a dedication to diversity versus stating a dedication to diversity.
And I think also, going into that a more of an organizational level is mandatory trainings. It doesn't have to be extensive, but maybe annual trainings for employees about unconscious bias with the option of voluntary, more extensive training is a great way of getting a universal, fundamental understanding of the importance of diversity and equity inclusion through an organization. No, I mean, all I like to add is.
I do wish more people would tell their stories and share their stories. And I know more and more people are talking about their experiences. And within industry. Personal life, you know, you know, when they are in University or whatever it might be. But I think more people should be telling their stories and sharing them.
We have the platforms to do it, and I think we just really help a lot of other people kind of feel like, OK, this person understands what I'm going through or I can relate. You know, other people have been there because I think a lot of people get into a space where they feel very lonely and isolated. So I think hearing your stories would really help them, you know, especially with the issues.
And, you know, equity is pretty much the one underlying thing across all of the sustainable development goals. And I think that's the one thing that, you know, besides sustainable development, I think it's also about delivering equity to people of different backgrounds, income levels, faiths, whatever, education levels. So I think it's, you know, it's the one thing that underlies everything.
And so we should tell stories, try to use tools that help people tell their stories, try to help use tools that communicate the research that you're publishing. So, you know, look at things like chatgpt, don't be scared of it. See how you can leverage it to communicate your research. Look at audio as a way of communicating it. Short form videos like TikTok.
I think that's really powerful is to help your authors do that, to get them comfortable enough to say, hey, do a 30 second video on why anybody should care about your research. Do it on your own. Give them a guide. You don't have to finance it. They don't have to spend any money on it. They just have to spend 30s doing it.
So I think it's things like that that would really help, you know, further sustainable development and also help you highlight all the great work that you're doing. Yeah, you know, I think it's really important, you know, when we talk about SDG research or really research in general. And the idea that, you know, we keep action and implementation in mind, you know, the end goal in mind. Um, and I think there's a lot of, you know, in the words of Elvis, a little less conversation, a little more action type thing.
So just, you know, that was great. Yeah Amen. Open science and data sharing, open science and data sharing developments continue to be ongoing within academia. How do open science and data sharing policies further the sdgs? Well, gosh, as Jay said, you know, the value that is the undercurrent for all 17 goals is equity.
Reducing barriers to access. Leveling the playing field and not just because that sounds like a really nice thing to do. You know, not just because that's a good conversation and it's good pr, but actually because it helps move progress forward. It helps move. Both including all relevant groups, everyone who wants to be at the table, but but also making it available to anyone from any sector who may bring something new to the table.
And help solve those problems. So there's a value undercurrent that's key. And then there's a practical just implementation piece that's key. I think disrupting those pay for access models, you know, it's not about trying to hurt, you know, the industry or trying to, you know, topple the commercial enterprise. It's about leveling that playing field. It's about opening the door to more folks who have been historically excluded.
So there's so much at both, you know, that value level and the practical level, I think that are key around open science principles and data sharing. Of course, also has you know, we were talking about this before, before the session, you know, so many variable aspects across different fields of study. So sorry, yelling into the mic now getting excited. You know, when we look at the infrastructure that we can build that helps us identify the connection between the research we're publishing and those 17 goals, one or more of those goals, we're building a framework for folks to be involved, to be to step up and to be part of the problem solving.
I think it's also a matter of educating authors. Again, you know, having just finished a doctoral program, none of my supervisors talk to me about open access. Nobody was saying data sharing. No, we had one librarian who came and talked to us about a data management plan, and then we were expected to just get that done and do it. Now, keep in mind, information science is my field and that is not a heavily grant funded field.
But this is the sort of thing. If we were helping to authors to understand the ways in which we can all contribute to these wider goals. I'm telling you, there are so many researchers who would love to participate. They just don't understand that they can have an impact. So I think there's so many tenants. There was a little bit all over the place. Apologies no, I think that's so important.
Like one of my favorite aspects of my job is how much I get to work with early career investigators, people who are working on their first paper, or at least their first authored paper, and being able to provide that sort of information about what is open access, where do you get the money for open access? Who's paying for it? You know, just all of the factors that go into open science overall can be so complicated.
And when it comes to the intersection between open science and SDGS, I see three primary SDGs that are affected being the third, which is good health and well being kind of clear. Their accessibility to information is beneficial for collective knowledge and diversification of that information and access. The fourth SDG quality education. Open science means that people who would have otherwise been financially excluded from accessing current research are now able to stay up to date with the newest discoveries.
And innovations. Without those paywalls in the way. And the 10th SDG being reduced inequalities where at least from my perspective in biomedical sciences, there's a real problem with non diverse patient bases used for research and not having the a representative population of patients involved in studies and not reflecting all communities equitably.
This is something that works for one population, may not be as effective for another population, so having data sharing allows for the reuse of information to build more geographically and demographically diverse data sets. Of course, that's predicated on data sharing and the idea of reusing reuse of data, which is, as you know, we were talking about an area that's currently under development, maybe to say it kindly.
But one thing I would caution with open science is being aware that it's not a universal good, especially with the Nelson memo recently coming out that requires all us funded research to have data requisition. Um, the there's a carbon footprint to storing all that data like that is a massive amount of data that is now expected to be held for 10 plus years in servers.
Internationally, a lot of people are looking to deposit their data. In more than one repository. So we always have to be mindful of the double edged blade with anything that we look at in open science is certainly one of those that is lovely and I'm a proponent, but we also have to be mindful of where it can be not as helpful. It's not free.
It's not free. Yes Yeah. There's always a cost to everything and some of it is good, some of it is bad. But I think when it comes to open science and open access, you know, one of the cool products I get to work on is an app called our discovery. And we love open access because we can do so many cool things with it.
Like we can generate summaries and highlights and that really helps our users understand the paper very quickly before they decide to spend 20 or 30 minutes reading the full paper. And we see that typically conversion rates go up by 30% or 40% from reading an abstract versus reading a summary. We're testing out, you know, interesting things like doing translation.
So when we talk about equity, one of the biggest things is localization of that content. Just because you publish in English and you put it out there doesn't mean everyone's going to be able to utilize it or understand it. So translating it, utilizing things like deep L or other services to translate it for your audiences is really important. One of the other things that we're playing around with is using AI for audio generation.
I mean, these are tools that your authors, your readers, your audiences are probably playing around with, and they would love to see your journals or your organizations test that out, embrace it, play with it, and share it with them. So, you know, I think open access has been a huge benefit to us, and I think it's been a huge benefit to a lot of startups that have created a lot of cool, interesting products from that data.
And, you know, I wish more organizations would maybe even go back and say, OK, well, how do we make all that closed data available so we can maybe build a better story and try to go from where did we start and where are we now? And tell the story that for all of that, you know, of that subject area, whatever it might be, to help us build that knowledge? And I think the other thing is, while open access is really great, the other piece that's important is research communication.
If you are not if you or your authors aren't communicating that research to the audiences, other people are, and those other people may not have good intentions, as we've seen with covid, as we've seen with climate change over the last 4 or 5 decades, and the role that the oil industry and politicians have played in convincing way too many people that climate change isn't real, that it's a hallucination or that it's not human caused.
And that's because there's a vacuum there between what you're publishing and what you're communicating. And if you leave, if you let other people tell other people, tell your story, you're going to lose control over that story. So I think it's really important to not only embrace open access, but also embrace research, communication, and get your authors to do a better job of communicating that. Yeah Yeah.
I think if you guys go away just with anything today from this session, it's communication and collaboration across the industry is just incredibly important to achieving these SDGs and furthering SDG research. So we wanted to get a question in here about partnerships because that's really integral to all of this. And so achieving the SDGs requires worldwide collaboration and partnerships.
How can organizations or individuals within scholarly publishing come together to further the SDG goal number 17 partnerships for the goals? And additionally, what SDG related collaborations excuse me, collaborations or partnerships are you or your organization involved in? well, I'm not big into tooting my own horn, but let me mention again, lauded publishing January, February issue.
It really is a great issue. It really is a great issue. If you haven't had a look at it, you really should. And it's open for the entire year. I served as the editor of that issue and learned so much through the amazing contributors. And so many case studies. You know, the identity taxonomy committee, you know, the joint commitment to equity and inclusion is brought together.
You know, there's so many examples in that issue of how providers are working together to drive change. Um, again, with my outsole hat on, you know, I think the, the only way global ambitions like the SDGS, massive world changing ambitions like the SDGS, the only way those are going to succeed is if we're working together, if we're working in unison, so that strong community support across this industry is, is really, really key.
Um, I would, you know, throw out again, the infrastructure and metadata piece. I've been active in, in ISO and other standards organizations. Um, and I guess on a sort of personal professional level, I have a passion for accessibility. Digital accessibility in particular. So with my kind of consulting hat on related to digital product development, digital product management, you know, I've built over the years a specialty, you know, around accessibility.
And So when providers come to me and we talk about accessibility projects, there's always a discount on my rate for accessibility projects because it is a passion of mine. I do want to lower the barrier for providers to do the right thing. As Jay said, it's so hard retroactively to go back and, you know, retag and rework structures for content that's already published.
So helping publishers pick a line in the sand where they're going to, you know, be WCAG compliant. The Web Content Accessibility Guidelines is the prevailing global standard around digital accessibility. So anything I can do to help, you know, publishers, you know, pick the date that they're going to start complying and make that business as usual going forward is always something that I'm looking for.
So those are the things that come to my mind. Yeah, I'd echo the importance of metadata and building out that infrastructure as a key first step. You can't collaborate on what you can't discover. There's a fundamental need to have the foundation set before anything can be built that is able to withstand the tumultuousness of our world currently. Um, I'd reiterate using platforms that are already available, such as practitioner networks and social media, as ways of connecting with people all across the globe, across industries or across the street.
It's a great way all of those platforms are great ways of kickstarting collaboration, working groups and contacts like I know we've mentioned a couple of times. They're also a good way to get involved. But it's also important to recognize that not all of us necessarily have the power to say we're joining the SDG Publishers contract. So recognizing the influence that people who maybe are a little lower down the ladder can still have in an organization by promoting sustainable practices and opening those dialogues, bringing it up with your managers, with people who are upstream.
Um, just getting that conversation started. So that your organization can be as best set up as possible to be ready for those collaborations when they do come along. And when those opportunities present themselves. That's a great point. Yeah um, so I so when two years ago when I joined cactus, I had no clue what SDGs were. And I was told about a month into it that, hey, we're going to sign the publisher's contract.
I said, well, that's great. What does that mean to me? And they're like, well, since you're the newest person in here, you're going to take care of it. I'm like, oh, great. But I was fortunate enough that, um, somehow I got invited to join the SDG publisher compact Fellows, and I ended up being with a bunch of people who are just absolutely brilliant at what they do and are super committed to the SDGs.
You know, definitely, you know Nicole. Nicole is one of them. Becks, Clarice. We have folks from academia. We have folks from publishers. And it's one of the best examples of a collaborative network around the SDGs that's out there. And I mean, it's amazing.
We have calls every Tuesday and almost every. One makes every call we set aside at least a mean. We try to get through our agenda, but we usually get stuck like on the first two points every time, no matter how hard we try. And we've done a couple of solution summits and you know, we're always trying to talk to publishers that haven't signed it and try to talk them into signing it. There is no carrot.
I mean, the carrot is you get to be with awesome people, but there is absolutely no stick to signing the Publishers Compact. Um, and even if you're not a signatory, if you're doing work in SDGS, you should be sharing it. The international Publishers Association has a really cool SDG dashboard where you can submit your SDG work and other publishers will be able to discover it on the dashboard.
So I think that's really great. Um, but yeah, so I mean, I was lucky enough to be welcomed into the Fellows group. We're always looking for new, new members, you know, to come in and talk to us, talk about your cool little projects that you're working on. If you need help with something, you know, we're there to help and we're really looking to work with other associations too.
So I know, we'd love to work with SSP with, you know, we're working with STM very closely, alps, cope AEs. So we're working with all these different organizations to try to build, I think, a common framework for furthering the SDGs versus everyone just working all on their own. Um, so yeah, I mean collaboration is, you know, is definitely key to the success of this. Yeah and I just want to just emphasize again that if anyone is interested in the Fellows group, come see me.
We all raise your hand. Rebecca and Nicola here. have a session tomorrow too, on SDGs. If anyone is interested, just a quick plug there. But that's all the questions I have for our panel today. To conclude. We have a myriad of resources for you guys that we've put together. Really, everything that was mentioned here today is LinkedIn the slideshow.
We have everything from dashboards to SDG initiatives from a lot of familiar names within the industry. Um, a couple of good, great papers as well as the learned publishing a special issue. And then we have a bunch of links with just general SDG type knowledge resources. So that's the end of our Q&A with our panel. And I think we'd like to open up the floor for Q&A with the audience.
If anybody has any questions, please approach the mic. Thanks seems like we did a great job. Yeah, that's it. Answered all the questions. Yeah, I guess so. Oh, and if you haven't, I'm sorry if you haven't answered the questions. Pull questions in our app.
Please have a look and answer those because we're really interested in what you guys have to say. Um, so I have a question about, I guess, authenticity and engaging with the SDGs. That's something that we're seeing. You know, more and more publishers start talking about how this is something that's really important to them related to what came up in the session. How do we, as an industry make sure that when people are talking about their commitment to the SDGS, it's real.
It's not just something that people are saying to gain some sort of competitive advantage or increasingly not even an advantage to just be part of the pack. I mean, I'll say that from everything I've seen, I don't think there is any sort of. Disingenuous disingenuity on the part of publishers. You know, I think they are really not only just talking the talk, but they're also walking it.
I know Springer Nature does a lot of stuff. You know, I forget exactly. I mean, I've you know, I've seen posts on LinkedIn like you guys are doing sustainable cooking. You know, you're using like they have these internal contests where people are saying, hey, how sustainable am I? Am I more sustainable than my colleagues? And, you know, I you know, I love seeing that stuff and I wish that we could do it, you know, industry wide where we could just have a competition across, you know, different publishers to see who's more sustainable.
Um, you know, and definitely more and more, um, organizations are looking to have internal champions or SDG sustainability heads. And at least from what I've seen, you know, I don't think anyone's trying to gain an advantage or, you know, or is saying one thing and doing another. I think they're all trying to, you know, really be committed to what they're saying.
Go ahead. I would say 2 or 2 responses come to mind. One of which is a little more lofty and idealistic and one is maybe a bit more actionable. The lovely, perfect world. Lofty would be wonderful. Responses, incentives. No idea who would be willing to foot that bill, but having an incentive program established for not just, like you said, signing up, but actually showing up and making those changes would be lovely from a more actionable approach.
I think a key part of this that sometimes is overlooked is the value of metrics and quantifiable information. It's a lot easier to talk pretty and speak about your commitment and it can be a little more challenging or take a little bit more effort to lie by numbers. So having systems of metrics in place to track actual those, those actual commitments to sustainability is a way of proving and showing, you know, our organization is walking the walk as well as talking the talk and also a way to nicely hold others accountable of saying it's wonderful that you guys voiced this demonstration, like you voiced this dedication rather to the SDGs.
Can't help but notice that these metrics haven't exactly tipped to substantially how can we get this moving forward. Yeah yeah, and that makes me think again of the Lerner publishing issue. Our focus was not tell us why we should do these things. Tell us how your values are aligned. Tell us what you're doing to make change and improve people's lives. And I don't know, maybe it's the pragmatist in me.
I don't care necessarily what the motives up and do the work. I'm on board. So the authenticity piece, I think, is proven in showing up, getting it done, making a change, establishing a new workflow that, you know, allows for, you know, more diverse identities, signing on to the coalition, you know, being part of the pack. As you say, we're not all going to have the same needs and wants out of that.
So it's a great question. It's a great question. Two comments come to mind with that question. The first is because there really aren't any that many. I mean, besides saving the world, guess is an incentive. But there really aren't many, you know, direct incentives, as we've said. So if somebody somebody's getting involved, they're probably, you know, not disingenuous about it, because there aren't really that many incentives besides maybe just riding the wave.
The second from working with a lot of people standpoint is if you want to really know if an organization or a person is being disingenuous about something or specifically about the SDGS, I would try to find the person that's in charge of that initiative and ask them, ask them specifically about their sustainability initiatives in their personal life. So like, if you ask me, you know, I come from an agricultural background, so I'm going to tell you all kinds of stuff about the things that I do myself or things that I've implemented in my personal life because I'm passionate about it.
And, you know, I think that would come through in any kind of initiative that I'm involved with. That's a great point. Um, so you talked a lot about using tools and platforms that already exist, which maybe sort of get where you're going with that. But I'm just interested to hear more of your thought process or why you emphasize that so much in this conversation.
Yeah, absolutely. Um, I think a lot of my perspective, I think that's come through on a couple of responses is a focus on things that are immediately actionable. Um, there's a lot. I love the conversations about systems that could be established. I love conversations about improving systems that we have, but I think it's sort of a reality check of checking back since six months later on some of those initiatives.
And seeing what progress has been made. So I think if you can lower the barrier to entry for a lot of these plans by making them as. Hello effort in the sense of requiring the fewest resources as possible. The best set you are to be able to have something to show for your initiatives, especially when we talk about, you know, actually showing up with sustainability with Dia.
It's lovely to voice your dedication. It's lovely to talk about plans, but I tend to focus on strategies that are as immediately, most immediately implementable. If think that's implementable as can be possible. There you go. Yeah familiarity, right? Yeah Yeah. That's that's a major part of it too.
It's a lot easier to get someone to buy in on something they're already part of or already familiar with versus having them get that buy in on a completely new platform that they don't have that user experience with. Yeah, really good point. Um, just a quick comment that just goes along with one of our poll questions. You know, what's the biggest challenge to more publishers embracing the SDGs was one of the questions we asked.
And I'm reading lack of resources to devote prioritization, cost. Lack of prioritization. So, you know, if you're trying to convince an organization to sort get the ball rolling using the resources that they already have available is probably a great place to start. So, yeah, lowers the barrier, especially with things like social media that are free.
Anyone can make an account. Um, I'm Paige at American Geophysical union, and I recently assessed our content for SDGs just using dimensions database because they have a machine learning tool. Um, and I showed it to our editors. We published 23 journals and we all got together actually for a retreat. And we talked about implementing SDGs in our content.
Um, one of the issues was not trusting a third party way of assessing content for SDGs. And I think some of the editors who didn't see any connection, like very low proportion of their journal articles were related to SDG when she knew deep down inside it more should have been assessed connected to an SDG. Are you? And it's related to one of the poll questions. Are you seeing efforts for maybe like an open, transparent, trustworthy way process for tagging content that's not necessarily at the author level because that's difficult to verify and go through peer review.
Maybe it's at like a machine learning level, but I different publishers are doing different things, but maybe a joint effort would probably be better. Yeah, so good question and it gives me an opportunity to talk about it because I love talking about this. Um, but at STM we have been amongst publishers and vendors. We have been talking about a SDG classifier for the industry, which brings together taxonomies from several publishers and vendors under one single system that could be easily implementable for publishers, small to large.
So then we would be using basically a large language model to tag your articles or your books to the specific most closely related SDG, rather than having to say, hey, you know, implement. I mean, it would be great if your authors would do it from the start, but there's a lot of content that you're not going to be able to do that with. But our goal is to stm's goal is to build this query classifier system so you can feed your data into it.
And then the output would be what goes it's most closely related to. So we are. So there is work going on in that space. And there is actually. So if you hugging face, actually, if you want to play around with it, gang Face actually has an SDG classifier that's built on GPT and it works pretty well.
But again, it's, you know, it's a public it's an open system. So you have to be kind of careful with it. But you can certainly test it out with some old content and see how closely it relates to what your editors think. I mean, we've built one on one of our own on GPT three and 3.5, and it works really well. But again, it's just a little toy that our developers built to see how, you know, how well it would do.
So it's not available to the public, but it's just something that we play around with internally to test our own systems. It seems like the ideal balance is, you know, neither purely authors or purely AI, but humans in the loop, right? Like maybe AI helps us, gives us a jump, gives us the first go at keywords or tagging or plain language summaries.
And then authors, reviewers, editors come in and validate. So maybe a combination of the two, perhaps. Yeah, I would say it's important to recognize that it's kind of a complicated time and topic because overarchingly in society it's trust in AI, in language models is one of the biggest conversations we are having as a society right now. The idea of regulation non-regulation where government comes into play with this sort of thing.
So it would be there's a lot of great initiatives if you talked about that are being undertaken, but there's also a lot that remains to be seen about the future and open accessibility of these, you know, these large learning models. Um, and it's going the outcome in the publishing sector is inherently going to be dependent on the outcome on a societal scale of what we, you know, there's never going to be a unified response of we're all on board or we all don't like it, but what the prevailing narrative becomes.
Just plug. But I'm going to plug a little bit. Cable cables is involved in a partnership right now with Saint Joseph's University's School of Business. Kind of like they're using AI. We're using AI. We're doing lots of things with AI, and it's in development.
Guess what I'm saying is we feel your pain about, you know, this trust thing. And third parties. Anyway, the partnership is about evaluating SDG research output at the journal level. Um, and it's, it's in development and you know, people are trying to do the same things at the article level and you know, we're trying to use that kind of stuff that you're getting from the article level up to the journal level.
And it would be nice if everyone could come together to standardize some things, right? Because then everyone would know what the standard was. And so I think, um, I say all that to say, you know, things are in development. Hopefully something will come along and we can get some kind of framework together for, for an industry standard for that. Yeah, that's, that's another point of we've got to work together, you know, we can't all be going off and doing our own tagging.
Trust is built, you know, not granted. So you got to be part of the solution to have that buy in. Yeah and I would say if you were part of other associations and you happen to be on a committee or anything like that, get them on board and you know, let's see if we can work together between what we're doing at the Fellows, what people at SSP are doing and are doing, and let's try to cooperate to build something versus having seven different versions of something.
Let's try to have one that works for everyone. The questions, comments, questions anymore. Now, I think we just really appreciate you. People showing up this way speaking of showing up, doing the work. I know, I know. For some of you, it's like 300 in the morning. So yes.
Well, I guess we certainly appreciate your attention. And guess we'll call that the end of our session. So Thank you, guys. We appreciate everybody.
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