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TODD CARPENTER: Hello, everyone. Good evening, or good morning, depending on where you're phoning in from. Connecting from this is our closing plenary of the NISO Plus 2023 conference. I hope you all have enjoyed the conference so far.
TODD CARPENTER: We have a fantastic, fantastic closing plenary today from Dr. Yuko Harayama. Before we get started, I just want to do a couple closing remarks. From NISO perspective, I'd like to first thank again the many sponsors who have contributed to making this a successful event and allowed us to maintain reasonable rates for all of the participants.
TODD CARPENTER: So thank you so much to all of our sponsors. We really couldn't have done this without them. The last three days have been full of fantastic conversations from my perspective. I have been party to only a handful. Unfortunately, there's only one of me and there are four or five tracks, so I couldn't participate in every session.
TODD CARPENTER: But it has been three days of fantastic conversations, fantastic ideas, worldwide engagement. It has been a fantastic event from, from our perspective, the keynote speakers, the social events, the tour of the Poe house here in Baltimore, the many detailed sessions about everything from metadata to information management and assessment, even a bit of a musical, which I think I've heard was pretty fantastic.
TODD CARPENTER: And we have made a lot of strides in terms of making this an international conference. We have representation from more than 30 countries on every continent, save antarctica, which is fantastic from our perspective. We had more than 600 participants this week. And I want to thank all of you for joining in at various points during the program, adding your voices to the conversation that we've tried to have here.
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TODD CARPENTER: Is there that NISO 2023 content be available, some of it on that platform. And as I discussed in the opening, this is really about coming together, sharing ideas, and then bringing those ideas into fruition, not just thinking about ideas, but how do we bring about ideas into this space.
TODD CARPENTER: And true to form, in our fourth year, we have been able to come up And these are just sessions, these are just ideas that were in the sessions that I was part of. So there's probably four or five times this many ideas from other sessions. We're over the next week or so going to be going through all of the notes, the Google Docs. Thank you all for contributing to that process. To aggregate those ideas, we'll go through a ranking process and get people involved in thinking about, you know, which of these ideas because obviously NISO
TODD CARPENTER: can't do all of them. Which of these ideas is most likely to have the biggest impact in our community, which is going to get people excited? And and how do we actually make some of these bring some of these ideas to fruition? How do we make some of these things happen? Could we develop a US national PID strategy? Could we build some sort of counter sushi like protocol for gathering conformance information on openly funded content, including building into our system audio visual abstracts and summaries of non-English speakers research.
TODD CARPENTER: So that it's more visible to the broader community. These are just some of the ideas. I am always impressed by the ideas that this community comes together with during the NISO Plus conference. And I'm looking so forward to some, you know, really bringing some of these projects into fruition later this year.
TODD CARPENTER: It's kind of a key feature of this conference, which is to kind of let 1,000 flowers bloom. We in Baltimore have seen some rather unusually warm temperatures. These are flowers that are blooming, crocuses blooming a couple of doors down from my house when I went for a walk after the afternoon sessions yesterday, these far too early in our world to be seeing flowers.
TODD CARPENTER: But we do want to see these flowers bloom. We want to do we want to see these ideas take off. We want to see these ideas grow and nurtured and really make a difference in our world. So as participants, you will have access to all of the recordings. Like me, you probably haven't been able to see every session and participate in every one of the conversations, which is fine.
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TODD CARPENTER: We're already looking ahead. We're barely finished with we're not even finished with this year's event. And we're already thinking about where to go next year. And I'd like to add another round of thank you's to all of our speakers, all of the organizers, the moderators, all of the people who've had a hand in putting this meeting together.
TODD CARPENTER: We are so grateful for the volunteer contributions for all of the people who've made this event possible. I'd also like to shout out to the nicest staff again Jason Sarah. Kimberly Lisa. Marybeth Kimberly. Everyone on the team, Keondra, for making this for the making this meeting function smoothly as it has.
TODD CARPENTER: Thank you all. And now I'd like to offer our final special Thanks to the sponsor for this session clarivate libraries for hosting this final session. And I will pass this now to Jessie Ransom. Jessie is with Clarivate and she will be introducing our final keynote.
JESSIE RANSOM: Thank you. On behalf of Bruce, we're really happy to again be sponsoring the nice press conference. Both the event and what nisa does is critical to libraries and the broader information community, and we're pleased to be sponsoring this particular session as supporting collaboration and openness is a focal point at an organizational level for libraries proquest and clarivate.
JESSIE RANSOM: As is supporting openness. It is a great pleasure to introduce the closing keynote speaker, Dr. Yuko Harayama. Dr. Harayama is the co-chair of the board of directors of the Japanese Association for the Advancement of science, a newly established Japanese non-profit organization. She served as a member of the board of directors of ORCID until last year, until March of 2022.
JESSIE RANSOM: She was an executive director of riken, the largest national scientific Research Institute in Japan. Prior to joining riken, she served as an executive member of the Council for science, technology and innovation at the cabinet office of Japan and as deputy director of the Directorate for science, technology and innovation at the OECD. Dr. hirayama talk is entitled to keep knowledge creation as an open and global enterprise.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Over to you, Dr. Harayama. Thank you so much, Jessie. I just start sharing the documents. Here we go. Thank you, first of all, for having me to this final session. I think you had a very exciting and very intensive discussion these three days.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: My intention is not summarizing the debate, but just putting on the table what could be the next challenges. Ideas to be thought. As mentioned by Todd, you have so many ideas. So additionally, I will propose to have my own idea to think about the future. So here we are. So the title is to keep knowledge creation as an open and the global enterprises.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: It's the final my final thinking from my side. And this is really the key issue Iraq to rise with you and discussing with you. Start with. Now if you look at what's happened today, we are on a path. Both evolution and changing landscape of a science ecosystem.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: If you have a longer view at the beginning. Knowledge creation was something individual and applies. But through the history we recognize that this individual enterprise is becoming more and more organized in terms of teams or laboratory, and it became collective enterprise. So it's natural to become bigger and associated with others.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And from this perspective of what's becoming critical and the key driver of knowledge creation was the role of information exchanges. And here we see the design and value of. And also, I was in touch with ORCID and that. So many institutional framework supporting and really nurturing these information exchanges.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So but today my concern is that we are living in a much more unpredictable environment. If you compare with the last ten, 20, 30 years. So it's May. Right, some new challenges. And the topics I'd like to discuss with you is this based on this unpredictable environment. So I will move from first step discussing about what happened to today to toward openness and collaborations.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And the next, as I mentioned already, we have to think about this kind of new era. And I would say we are entering into a turbulent period. And this after this discussion, I will say some ideas about how to address these challenges and just putting on the table. Big question mark with you. I would say.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: At the beginning we had. I'm sorry. We will look at the long history of science itself. We saw some evolutions and, Leslie, that in 2020 ten, we see the emergence of open science. So if I refer to Paul Debbie's point of view, he was one of the first talking about this concept of science, mentioning some kind of balancing between private property rights and public domain in science data and information.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So balancing becoming some key issues. And he underlined the characteristics of free public goods, of science creation and data, and then how we can deal with this. And if you look at differentiating according to the fields of scientific field in some.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: It's a normal thing is a practice of sharing the data and also open science was by nature the key aspect of this domain for example, astronomy. This move toward open science have been backed, by the way, the proponents of information management system from a technical point of view, technological point of view, and the competition of power and so many institutional framework in place today.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So moving toward open science was natural things. And also many institutions in particular global organization have been set up to advocate and support this open science, which include ISO, ORCID and other related organizations. And as I see what a participant, participant to this conference of nice, obviously a part of this globalization and I will underline the power of policy because in many countries open science became a policy priority.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And as my personal experience, I have been committed to prefer the G7 meeting. This is Japan is presidency of Japanese, presidency of the G7. But seven years ago, in 2016, we organized scuba meeting for science and technology ministers meeting. And one of the key issue was how to promote open science and the many debates and I can just mention referring to Verizon 2020, it was the kind of motto to move toward open innovation, open science and open to the world.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So it was the trend we have experiencing to you today. Just to summarizing the ideas of US open science, I would say open science implies opening the door to the global science community. Of course, science itself was very global enterprise, but really pushing ahead to this global dimensions and also the impact of global science is really connecting people, really global community and not you are not working alone in your lab, but really working together, connected people and in this way it's the driver to not bring collaboration.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So this is open science. And as a consequence, we see really, really powering up of global collaborations. And for this collaboration, how you choose your collaborators. One of the key criteria are three scientific experiences and to push ahead with open science and this global collaborations, we saw really emergence new funding mechanism by national governments and in collaboration internationally and we see as a consequences growth of global subjects in terms of quantities, in terms of quality.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: This is what's happening. So if we look at the 20/10, the trend for the openness and global collaboration seems either simple. So that's the way. But entering into 2020 are basically some kind of. Turning points with much more emergence of national concerns.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And it has been really driven by COVID 19 pandemic and also Ukraine invasion because of that kind of vulnerability of change. And some mobility has been shut down. And we see some kind of. Inspiration and also a kind of vulnerability or dependence interdependencies.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So from to below, we see the arguments toward economic competitiveness, economic security, national security and many, many geopolitics, geopolitical factors coming in into this science ecosystem to. The question, are we entering into a troubled period?
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: This is my hypothesis, because we see so many political discourse. On the headlines, just picking up some of them, data sovereignty, again, technology sovereignty and some talking about strategic autonomy and strategic independence. And also, we hear quite often now economic and national security, all these elements on the table.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And not only just political discourses. These Cuba is catching what are becoming expressed in terms of policies. And if you look at just in case of us, we saw that China is said to be coming in and we still have this initiative in place. And the more recently, we see chips and the science act and also renewable updated of the list of critical and emerging technology in the US.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Just just to name a few. Not only in the us, but if you look at the European union, the key was strengthening the Eu's technological sovereignty in key enabling technologies, and it has been sitting in place sovereign funds. And also we see the new European union, your Eu's regulations and the European strategy for international cooperation in a changing world.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Some reports and the mood of this policy discourse and concrete actions we can ask ourselves is, is it some kind of counter fact? If you compare the period of strengthening open science, at the same time, we see the importance of science, advancing science and keeping the arguments that science is a global public good and the science.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: We need to advance science to promote and to move towards sustainable development goals. And some trend is science, technology, innovation for science stages. And also we continue to believe and we are including political discourse is that science is good for society and science should contribute to humanity. So you see this discourse in one side, but at the same time, there is some kind of need to consider additional factors beside all this argument to advance science.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: One of them is, as already mentioned, geopolitical dimensions and also in terms of economic competitiveness and also in terms of economic security to not be fully dependent of other countries. The key question was economic leadership and of course, linked to this economic security, but more largely in terms of national security.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So promoting science one on one. But we need to have some kind of additional conditional considerations on this three elements geopolitical dimension, economic leadership and national security. So what could be implication of these additional consideration? I would say we need to balance kind of centrality of scientific excellence and the security concern.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Remember, do remember the four debates arguments was by the past almost 20 years ago, balancing between private property rights and the public domain in scientific data and information. Now we have another. Elements balancing with security concern. This is where we are today. So what could be the implication?
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: We really observe already some consequences of this new additional factors in some countries. Technology export controls have been strengthened. And in some cases, some are funding agencies. Research grants are becoming more you see, the more additional conditions be beside all the traditional conditionality, scientific excellences and so on.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So and also we see some kind of new criteria to choose your international partners. And you should be careful to select, to choose your partners. So we international partnership has been scrutinized now. And also we see much more emphasis on kind of a DAPA type funding program more than with dual use thinking and also of more hands on from the government perspective.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And this is some kind of new trend that we observed not only in some countries, but in many countries. What's what's the lesson from this new phenomena? Some kind of questions. Challenges is that we see that cross-border collaborations and exchange of people not so openly, but as by the past.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: But we see some kind of treaty on this truly critical crucial to advance science fact that that collaboration and exchange of people. So if we note where we are today, we need to take we move ahead to keep science growth. So how to address this challenge is something that we will discuss with you to have exchange of view with you.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Most quickly, we see already some reaction of research institutions. Of course, we see some new requirements in place. And then if you have a new regulation, new or political and legal framework, as research institutions, we have obligation to respond to the new requirements. And beside all these expressed new requirements, we see some gray zone.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And what you observe is that some institutions are ready to prepare for these forthcoming new requirements. The already reviewing the list of international collaborations and to take account where you are and very foresee at next. And also some cases, you are revisiting the partnership strategy. As I mentioned by the past, the key criteria to choose your partnership was really our scientific experiences and the availability of research infrastructures, but mainly based on the scientific perspective.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Now probably you have to obligation to review your partnership based on the priorities from the government. And then we may. Potentially expect to have kind of overall reactions from the institution even. It is not yet required probably for seeing that new climate become. You're preparing the ground for that.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Even on the political discourse we see arguments open is by default, but many, many accept them now on the table, for example, related to the critical and emerging technology or in other terms, key enabling technology in the US and the EU.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: This area will be some kind of protected one so open by default except C dt octaves and also preference for alliance or partnership with like minded countries. It is still vague notion, but orientation move may move in this directions and also not so clear but we see coming and the possibility of some kind of discretionary interventions may come.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So this is some kind of what we may expect and also. For seeing these kind of changes, trends coming in naturally if you are from the perspective of research institutions or individual researchers to be prepared for that. So we may ask ourself, are we moving into toward self censorship?
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Because given the fact that. So many sees the presence of gray zone, not yet clearly defined. Yes so not from the. Political perspective. And even today, we see some major political interference, but it may increase or in some other directions. So we may expect to have evolving geopolitical environments and also to prevent to have additional administrative burden.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Preparing your research grants, application forms or imprisoned supplies. So this would be some kind of reaction you may expect from those who are working on, I think, to be more positive way, constructive way. We used to have some much more coordinated actions among all stakeholders of the science ecosystem, and it is needed.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: I think it's more than ever because today many countries are taking their own actions and it's really not yet so coordinated. And the individual one and also each individual is that institutions are also taking action individually and it is really making much more barrier and also not so transparent and against moving ahead with open science and collaboration.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Basically to move ahead with a more coordinated action baseline is that we have recognized science as a global public. Good is a very basic fundamental thinking and also we need to rely on. Mutual trust because it is critical to have these elements and it is in view of keeping knowledge creation as an open and global enterprise.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: It is my argument. I hope you may have your own arguments and as I see, it's not just something that we put in place, but we have to think about this aspect. In order to really keep sure that we are advancing in science and knowledge, exchange and the knowledge and also people's exchange and the collaboration. So from this perspective, probably we need to have the voice, we have to express the voice of the science community as a stakeholder of science ecosystem and also what should be expressed and also should be heart.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And it is between us coordination but also expressing and the way. Taking action together. So this is my proposal to and I'd be happy to discuss with you and listening and hearing your perspective. And we can do something together. Thank you so much for listening.
TODD CARPENTER: Thank you so very much for your thoughts and your perspective. Super interesting to think about some of these issues. It's kind of a nice. Well, nice to think about these things. Or at least. We should be thinking about these things, even though some of them are a little challenging. It's a nice perspective to add to the conversations that we've been having.
TODD CARPENTER: There are realities in our world that are beyond the scientific information distribution communities that create an ecosystem that we have to work in. Want to encourage all of the participants to use the Q&A functionality if you have any questions for Dr. hirayama. We welcome your voices into this conversation as well. I have an interesting question.
TODD CARPENTER: I was kind of thinking about what you were talking about towards the end of your talk in terms of moving from an open by default to this kind of self-censorship world and. I was kind of thinking about where are the boundaries, right? And that those boundaries keep extending in terms of where that self-censorship would take place, because increasingly many things could be considered dual use.
TODD CARPENTER: You know, it used to be if you were doing particle physics, that was you know, we don't share that. But, you know, nowadays you're like, oh, if you can code well enough, you know, create something like tick-tock, then, oh, good lord, that's a problem. Maybe maybe the rest of the world hasn't heard the obsession that politicians have in the US about TikTok.
TODD CARPENTER: But this kind of expansion of the potential for dual use. And I think that. That sort of. The narrowing of a mindset that we need to be protective leads you to be more protective. And I'd be interested to hear your perspective on. Is, does this become a self-fulfilling prophecy?
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I just say open by default. It's something that we have to keep in our mind. This is the baseline. And as you say, we see some kind of border coming in against the open by default. And it is almost impossible to really identify border. It is a moving and depending of so many non-scientific factors.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So it's not up to us to define the border. Sometimes given by the government, given by the geopolitical factors, given some concern from private sector, so many things. And then what is important is that you are not in a passive positioning as a science ecosystem stakeholders. It should be a part actor.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Agency that means you should be able to discuss, negotiate and express your view with those who are putting. Some kind of border. So who that basically we need to have kind of trusted conversations with those who are thinking that it's important to have this border.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: I'm saying that it's against border because the question of security is critical for all of us, and it's something that we have to respect. But what is really necessary? Minimum border. If you're a politician, you don't know critically. But we can negotiate in the way that to keep our science as open as possible, to reduce the very minimum burden to the way of doing science, in the way to keep the basic functioning of science, and to not change the mindset of scientists.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Because by default it is broader. So this is something that we have discussed together and it is not the responsibility of individual researchers in the research institutions. We need to have some common view and act as community. This is my proposal.
TODD CARPENTER: Yeah there was an interesting conversation yesterday during one of the sessions about reasons why one might not share data, privacy reasons, security reasons, etc., but.
TODD CARPENTER: A lot of researchers will say in their data availability statement, you know, the data is available upon request and just leave it leave it that. Where the comment that was that during the session followed up on that was let's provide the community with a reason. This isn't available because dot, dot, It isn't in a repository because privacy, security, whatever the reason.
TODD CARPENTER: Be interested from your perspective. How can we help foster the creation of those norms that it's not just it's not available because I don't want to share it. And I'm not going to tell you why, to create an ecosystem that is, as you say, open by default, except when it's not. But tell us why not?
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Because you know when you don't want to share your data. So many multiple reasons behind. And it's a combination of all these factors that you are in this position in. And sometimes you argue that you don't want to share the data, just saying that it is a security reason not to just take yourself responsibility in your act, but just identifying all the argument you are using or the arguments to say, I don't want to share the data.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So this part will be really changed. And in the way that really the key is by default, the baseline is really. Sharing and in some cases, you may restrict but we minimum restrictions. And because of the fact that you are not just subbing your ambitions as a researcher, because you are serving science as a global public good and contributing to this, and that's why you are giving up your data as well as you are receiving.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Using the data coming from orders and we kind of reciprocity is key and for that we need some kind of I don't want to say gentlemen's agreement but because gentlemen's agreement but common. Very kind of code of conduct. Even even today. So many external factors come in, but we have to ensure some baseline for that.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And it may change through time. But what is important is that we recognize ourselves and we are funding these principles in a common understanding among science, community and science ecosystems members. It is not easy, but it is not fixed for all. But it's evolving. So we have to keep conversation continue and that space like nice.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So compressed. Every year you see the evolution change of the environment and we can evolve the discourse through time. So I will wish that Nico and I will take responsibility to coordinate this aspect.
TODD CARPENTER: Mm-hmm Are there ways that. The administration, the sort of faculty side here, that that can affect the tenure and promotional side of this equation.
TODD CARPENTER: Are there ways that we can build this culture of openness as an element of that process? Because that has that probably has more impact on research or behavior than publication policies or anything like that. R from your perspective at ges, are there ways that this can be? Encouraged at an administrative level.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: I think we need to have a think about in the case of the University. Within the University we have faculty members and demonstrations and it's in a normal operation way. You have a very well equipped administrative staff supporting you to get external funds and so on. So many, many things. And you have also IP management department and so many things.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: But now they I think we need to have a. Conversation between these community administrations and such faculties in the way to recognize the value of science and value sharing. Because administrations they are. We have to re address all the requests coming from outside, including funding agencies and governments issues. And they have to be.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Protecting the institutions, universities as such vis a vis external institutions and all actors. But at the same time, you have to defend your own the structures within. So in a way, as an interface between outside and inside, they have to have a very good understanding of the rationale of promoting keeping open as defaults and collaborations default, but at the same time knowing and expressing, translating the message coming from outside through research.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So this is. Much more coordination between scientific and researchers, community and administration within this response. And as you mentioned. What is critical is re training of researchers not only for tenure track faculty members, but also for students. And because they are now those who are entering into University research institutes, they is they start with the new environments.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So by default, they may say it's really a barrier, it's kind of border. And for that, we need to remind them that basically we started to create science as such with the move toward open science. And then we have to really compromise in some sense, sometimes by necessity, but also.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Teaching them that by default is really openness. So this is something that we can be kind to our students to make sure that they will grow up as researchers in a way with a common understanding of the mechanism of science.
TODD CARPENTER: I'm wondering if there's also a tie here towards the work that's done on the science of science, the kind of study of the scientific process.
TODD CARPENTER: And we've had two or three decades, at least, of an open ecosystem, an open science environment. I'm wondering if we can do something from a kind of analytical perspective to say science is done better through open processes. It achieves better results, it achieves better return on investment, if that's your metric of success.
TODD CARPENTER: I'm wondering if there's ways that we can. Build on that analysis to communicate. There's a reason for openness. And it's not just openness for openness sake.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Absolutely because, you know, what's I explain today is just really putting on the table the new trend we are experiencing.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And that we need to have kind of evidences and arguments. And for that, it is critical to have the research going in this field examining what's the science and also bringing evidences for that. As you say, it is important to have very putting on the table or the analysis of science on science.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And also we have to recognize that it is not only. I would say. Because you don't have scientific evidence that you have to keep to not take actions because it is kind of interplays among the scientific community. But at the same time, you have to convince external to science community and this conversation and really as I say, it's based on the trust trusted conversation.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So this is something that you have to work in two fronts, as you say, bringing evidence, but acting as stakeholders and the outsider. And this should be something that we have to argue the value of science. It is not just because scientists there, it's their job. So that's why they are selling their job. But to convince and also really to be to listen to all the stakeholders is key.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: But in the not just one way arguments. As someone who's been involved in these conversations
TODD CARPENTER: internationally, not just within Japan, but outside of in other countries as well. From your perspective, d.c. countries doing having really successfully implemented open science practices in their communities, or are there countries that you would shout out as particularly doing this?
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Well, I think the move off of science, it's really continuing. And also in terms of political discourse, not only political discourse, but they are implementing immigration rules or funding mechanism. And it's a case of the European Commission and also the US and the many, for example, US government are really coordinating agencies. Funding for the science and the subject.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And this is something that's really I think we see continuation of move toward open science, but we see additional factors coming in and not yet. Coordinated and what would be interesting is to have not only individual countries actions, but coordinated among countries.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: And in particular, I think it's important to recognize the move coming from academic society. For example, this year, Japan is. Already hosting G7 meeting and usually beside science ministers meeting, we have the meeting of seven countries National Academy working together to bring some policy recommendation to G7 meeting.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So that will be some very good opportunity to put on the table this kind of discussion. And we ensure that open source movement will continue and not be set up beside the mainstream. Well, I would hope in those conversations you won't have any opposition towards a policy position that is based biased towards open science.
TODD CARPENTER: I hope that is a success in those discussions. Question here. For people in the information community, say librarians, who providing support to the research community.
TODD CARPENTER: Are there ways that they can help support the research community in this open in this advocacy for open science.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: I think librarian or information community is really key actors within and it will continue to be. And because the way the nature or the way we are doing science is becoming more data driven, dependent and also much more closer tie is needed.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: So this is why I say. We have to re discuss openly and we are in a very trusted way what's the changing environment and also to take real positioning together, not just only scientists expressing, as I say at the end, versus the science community, I would say include.
DR. YUKO HARAYAMA: Information those working on in so many not only sense community means really community. And that's something that we have discussed together. Yeah, definitely we are. We are all one big happy family at some point. Yeah and you have all the family at NISO.
TODD CARPENTER: Well, we are nearing the end of our time together.
TODD CARPENTER: Dr. Harayama, thank you so much for joining us this morning. In your time, for your thoughts and for participating in our conference. We truly appreciate your ideas and I hope we'll take some of them and move some of them forward. Thank you very much. So with that, that will draw the ISO Plus 2023 conference to a close.
TODD CARPENTER: I want to thank again all of our speakers, all of our sponsors, all of the program committee, everyone who has helped make this event a success. And from my perspective, it has been a tremendous success. A huge shout out to our conference chair, the ISO director of strategic initiatives, Jason Griffey, who has spent hours and hours and hours and weeks upon weeks in front of his computer processing video files and organizing things with all the speakers.
TODD CARPENTER: So a huge Thanks and shout out to Jason for organizing all of this in the next few days. You will receive a short survey. Please let us know how we did what you liked, what you didn't like, whether or not we should continue this virtually or in person. Everything is on the table. We are trying to kind of experiment with this even in our fourth year.
TODD CARPENTER: So your feedback will be very helpful in that process. So thank you all. I wish you the very best and look forward to seeing you again at a future NISO event. And I appreciate all of you for participating.