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I guess we can get started. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Q&A discussion portion of the scholars Scholarship session. So we're I'm happy to see that there's three of the scholars who participated who contributed video are here with us. So that's Russell, Bethany and Yumi.
So people have any additional questions for them. That would be great. You can raise your hand or put it in the chat. I'd also think it'd be great to hear about others in terms of what the standards that you're currently using that have been very helpful or are standards that you feel that are most needed and would be helpful in your organization or even tasks that you think are really painful and could be done some better way.
Sometimes that's the pathway to figuring out some standards that's missing is where you can't communicate with some other entity in an efficient way. I do have a quick question actually. If I was thinking for Russell, you you mentioned particularly the challenge is smaller libraries have an implementing standards. And I don't know if you can talk about it, make some suggestions or best practices on what smaller organizations can do to implement.
Yeah, that's a great question, Rebecca, that for smaller organizations, I think standards are challenging to implement because the people that you're communicating the standards to aren't information professionals. And so the people that you're communicating these professional standards to generally or provost or president or other different members of the college community.
And so trying to. Simply break it down what your goal is in taking pieces of that standard to then show how that helps with your technical workflow is probably the best way to move anything forward and not ever really saying that this is a standard because then you get a lot of rolling eyes. So just trying to take that standard, know it really well and then bring it forth to the stakeholders that will help you implement it and create allies within the organization so that the workflow can become adopted without actually pushing it on anybody.
That's that's how I've been successful with doing it, really. Allyship is kind of the big one is getting a few people that rah rah and say, yeah, this is actually works is and then they start marketing or promoting that standard to others so that we can change the workflow and not spend so much time on things that are. Tedious a question just came in the chat from Mary Lee. How do you characterize them if the term standards leads to eyeroll?
That was my question to your question. I generally characterize them as efficiencies. And ways to make things more efficient. How? I didn't really try to characterize. What do you think standards mean? Something like what? I'm don't want to go down a rabbit hole, but I'm just curious about how the word standards is so disparaged.
Does that mean old or boring or what exactly is the turnoff for a standard for the word? At my organization in general and in other organizations I've also worked for, including Claremont and Duke standards generally mean something that's very technical. And so that that's where you start. And then they hear something technical that they have to understand.
And so I usually try to I lead with the solution rather than trying to get them to learn the standard. So that's. But I have a very library director mentality than maybe other folks do. So I have I tried everything that the people that I speak with aren't information professional. So I have to convince that and show them the value of a standard because there's just so many great standards out there, especially that ISO has put forth that it can be in for information.
Overwhelm is a lot. So as I was saying standard it's like, well, what standard and why do we have to adopt this one now? Rusty and I'm like, well, here is how we can solve this. And sometimes a lot of these standards can overlap too. So if you focus on one, then it's hard for later on. You mentioned another one, then that's when you get viral. So you kind of bring what works for your institution or your team and bring it together so that these different standards can work.
And so that you have a more efficient workflow. Bethany and you and Julia, do you have anything you wanted to add in terms of your experiences that you could share implementing new standards? Or old standards. I just wanted to mention this is a great question because when you say standard, oh, another added work because now you have to do extra more.
But at the same time, as Cassius said, it's such a long term money favor. And for me, like I watched a session about credit standard and that was actually a value adding standard. Like I saw them. Some people made up like a chart about how women are doing, like an investigation, very fast work, work. And the men they're doing more supervisory work at Plus journal and that really that kind of can just sure I did more work standards but at the same time it's really a value adding thing you can unearth so many things by creating standard and that's Yeah I think that's AI don't answer question.
Yeah just on innovation. Yeah that was a great point that Costa that you brought up about the long term money saver. Anything that should get people's attention. Sometimes it's just some people needs to be talking money, terms, things. There was another comment from Jill isn't part of the problem when mentioning things like standards that there may be an unrecognized perception that living up to a standard will automatically mean having to expend resources, whether staff time or equipment upgrades, et cetera.
But I guess if it's money you're saving in the long run, you just have to kind of say, hey, this is something this is a good investment in time and resource and people time. And Greg had a good response. I agree with Jill, but I think even people who understand standards can be anxious when they realize that the way we're always done, things might not meet might meet a standard and require rethinking and change.
It's always hard to implement change in any organization. So it's important, as you said, wrestling to get your allies, to get people behind you. Also the people from certain levels to that you want to make sure that you have a management from all different levels. You have a stakeholders, I would assume in regard to Jill's comment about expanding, having to spend more resources or any resources, generally, it's you're already expending a lot of resources.
And so there's a lot of workflows in colleges and libraries and information providers, workplaces that you're already doing things in the standards. Hopefully, like you said, we'll save money. So it's not bringing up the standard. It's more of not scaring people away by making change because fostering change is kind of takes time in itself. Jill, your hand is a do you want to do you want to add more to.
I actually yes, I did. If you'll allow me, I. I think certainly when working in a commercial environment, when people start talking about, oh, here's the standard we should meet, we should implement, we should integrate with our processes. What is frequently. Not necessarily articulated aloud is that that might what people are thinking is that OG that requires change.
That means. That may cost me time and money stat time and money in and it might not work. What's the payoff? What's the return on that investment? And certainly in a commercial sector, that would be a major concern in the context of an Institute for higher education. When people are looking at it saying, please don't cost us any more money than you already do.
I sometimes think that. Talking about what we want to adopt this particular practice or we want to do this because, as you say, over the long term, it's going to improve the service. Staying away from the word standard, I think sometimes allows people to avoid the perception that standards require investments and costly change when what you're really trying to do is emphasize that it's a better way of delivering a service, which is in the context of higher education, is a big Plus in the current environment.
So I think there's the use of vocabulary. It sounds to me, rusty, like what you were doing made a whole lot of sense when you had to talk to your provost, when you had to talk to someone up the chain of authority. So I think that what you're doing was logical and actually very tactful and diplomatic, because it does mean that you have to find the right vocabulary to persuade people that what you're doing aligns with what the institutional organization sees as its primary mission.
Yeah that's an excellent point. You know, I just wondering, like, if you ever if somebody can if you ever had to introduce standards to your organization, did you ever get a feedback that adopting standards will not help you to innovate in long term? Like we will be stuck with those standards. So kind of a different side of the coin, like some standards will help you innovate because this is where the industry is going to.
But at the same time, if we stick to the old standards, we won't be able to innovate. I wonder if you ever got this type of response when you are trying to introduce standards. And how to respond to that type of response. Any audience respond to that? I would respond to that is not innovating by just making sure that you see that you show the value of the standard to whoever you are talking to.
So everyone's value is different. And so you have to know who you're speaking to and make sure that that value is communicated properly. And what we often see with what we often see with standards is that standards, at least the ones we're building today, are intended to create consistency across things that are already agreed on in general, so that it kind of takes the easy stuff out of any decision making.
And therefore individual organizations can then further innovate on top of that because they have their time freed up by adopting standards for the basic things or the things that allow them to easily connect to others than they have more resources for their own differentiation and ability to respond to specific customer needs at a high level. That's the kind of argument that I would make about that.
Except with to the point. That it takes that it's meant to move the easy stuff or the sort of non things that aren't too argumentative I guess out of that, out of the. Q so that you have more resources for really paying attention to how you might be unique. I want to make sure people see the comments in the chat.
Joanna has you said your organization is hoping to save money labor by adopting standards for your new controlled digital lending programme? Do you want to? Can you talk about it? Have you just have you just started? Are you are you are you in the process of planning it out in terms of implementation? Well, we're right now, I'm the course reserves manager at Western Washington university, and we're up in the Pacific Northwest of the US.
And I've been lucky enough to be doing, working in my field for about 10 years. And with the pandemic and the lockdown, we realized. So, you know, millions of books were just off limits to our students. And so we've been slowly rolling out like a really limited control digital lending program, just for course reserves. And as part of the regional consortium that we're a member of, we're going to try to expand that with interlibrary loan.
And we need standards basically for just the technical things, like what kind of scans are we producing, what level of detail, you know, things like that. And I'm lucky enough to be able to be putting all these practices and procedures in place myself with a lot of support from our library admin. And so I'm really excited just to find out what other people are doing and what kind of standards our other partner libraries are trying to meet just so that we can all be on the same page, since this is just completely brand new.
We're just kind of starting this from scratch, so it's really exciting. Just to mention that nice though has a working group on controlled digital lending that is assembling a recommended practice to make recommendations about how to create the kinds of things that you're talking about. So of course, that's actually how I discovered nice though. I was kind of just looking around for what other people were doing, and I recognize some names that were involved with that, like, oh, I've got to learn more.
So and that's, that's how I ended up here. I'm really just excited at the opportunity. Alan Jones, who's co-chair, will be talking about it tomorrow at the nice update session, just in case you're interested. Awesome thank you. Does anybody have any other suggestions for joanna? I think KDL is interesting because it is kind of a could say it's a multi-headed beast because there are different angles to the flow of how something is transacted.
And that's kind of the challenge for the working group at least, and I'm sure it's a challenge for you also, Joanna, putting the pieces together in a way that makes sense for your own institution, right? I come at it from a copyright lens. I'm so used to working with fair use and and everything's an emergency or a judgment call. And so it's going to be really refreshing and labor saving, hopefully to have some standards where we can look at things from maybe a proactive way of dealing instead of just always responding to an emergency.
And kind of having to make it up as I go along. So I'm just again, I'm I can't tell you how excited I am to discover other people doing this to. Right so a couple of comments that kind of go together that I find interesting and because I'm learning a lot from this session, is that, you know, first, that Dylan says that standards are a living organism. And so you're going to New ideas keep coming in.
So I guess things shift and then so once you implement it one, then you're going to have to constantly update it and how is that like maybe someone could talk about experiences, you know, how do you how do you adapt to changes that your community and your organization need to respond to? I want to put you and me on the spotlight, and he can talk about open access.
OK can you just. What? no, I. Yeah, I'm from the session on Open Usage and how this should be adjusted within this new trend in the industry. Open access usage is getting more and more important to report on. So you was talking about it. I mean, that's true.
I mean, like that's the reason I kind of talked about we are using JavaScript to collect certain kind of counter reports just because nobody was really doing that. Actually, one provider vendor is doing that, but that's what you have to do to keep up because as somebody said, it's an organic move. As big vendors are trying, the big vendors created some product to implement something our librarians or cashiers interest is moving away from it because now we're interested in something else like so Yeah I mean it's leading need that one of our presenters said, do you have anything to add to this?
Kaseya yes. So for example, the counter the counter is changing. There is going to be a new version 5.1. So they're already looking into how they can approach so open access usage. So they will have they will have new. New adjustments for the compliance requirements to have a better analytics for global open access usage.
So, you know, this is one of the examples how counter is adjusting to meet, you know, current needs that are coming from the market. And those needs are that the publishers librarians, they need more information about open access usage that are not institutionally affiliated. I think somebody's trying to make.
Who's trying to say. Is that you, russell? I can't see. I think someone was just walking by in the hallway or something and they want to talk to about anything more to add about counter and open and open access. I mean, there's so many different perspectives on that. No Yeah.
There's another thing that nonso is looking at as a potential project that is still really in the laboratory, I guess you could say, is ways that open access is affecting workflows, particularly in libraries, because I think we have our generation or my generation came in with subscriptions as the main workflow. So it's pretty tried and true for the last 30, 40 years, prints, print subscription workflow migrated to an electronic subscription workflow and how money changes hands from vendor to library.
That's really kind of, you could say thrown up in the air. And there's a lot of models that are being experimented with but haven't yet kind of loaded down to something. Standard but we're trying to look at what kinds of recommendations might we make for the industry to ease that burden for people who are trying to participate in better support for open access.
So you might see something about that come along in the next year. It's still in the formation areas, but I also think that open access is such a huge area and it's really a monumental change that I think there's so many things that we just don't know yet. I remember Garcia kind of mentioned about the effort in open access.
How can we tie them together? Do you have anything going on in an ISO about like open access being tied with the efforts? Maybe this work would be at least a start in that direction. That is to say that. I think we want to recognize that moving to open access certainly has effects on people who can participate in research and consume research.
But at the same time, it also changes the equation above payment. So how does someone who is a researcher in the global South pay for their open access fee where it was different before? I think that that's all part of the recognition. The proposal, at least as it's starting out, is a little bit more technical, but it's a little bit more detail.
But I think that is all that recognition is part of the recipe, you could say. I don't know how it will all come out. It's still, as I said, still in the formation period. But I think that's part of the perspectives. Is that something I was thinking we could take back to the DNI committee a nice Doe. I mean, in terms of maybe eventually. Yeah, I think it's still in an early stage, but it might be something to review.
Yes anything. Anything I'd love to hear from people in the more people from the audience in terms of their experiences. With implementing standards or standards that they currently feel that they really they need.
Anybody want to chime in? Rebecca, I have a question, if I may. Of course, I wanted to go back to something that rusty mentioned in his presentation about all the digital, all the digitized items that were part of your special collection that had no metadata associated with them. Did I understand that correctly?
Did I phrase that correctly? You're absolutely right. We preserved a whole bunch of stuff that Gail preserved by digitizing a whole bunch of stuff. And when you realized when you realized that you were going to have to begin applying metadata to those digitized items. Yeah was there discussion about what is the minimum that we can get away with because we want to move this project through very quickly?
In your work process or was that there? Wonderful let's add as much as we possibly can in order to enable the best degree of discovery of possible. There was discussion of the minimum amount. And there's been times where this project has become so frustrating that it would be nice to just approve all of the images and let them go forth. I have pushed and advocated and we have done community archives and we do community archives day about three times a semester where people or the community comes and adds the metadata themselves.
So instead of having people, having my staff add the metadata and try to guess and do generalized metadata, we actually have people who have been here for a very long time and they come in and add the metadata or we have. I've created a history club and they've worked on creating the metadata itself. So I take a very long view of this project. And the only way it will be any of the stuff will ever be found is having good metadata.
And that's why the standard is so important. It's, it's, it's a document that we keep on going back to make sure that we don't short shrift the project. And so that in the long run this will stay. I mean, hopefully cortex stays. Is there a challenge to explaining to these community helpers what, why, why you need certain elements completed?
Or do you simply say this is what we. Yeah, definitely. Well, it's easy to explain why they need to do it. It's hard to get the staff to. It's hard because you can only ask them. So often, so many times a semester. And the work can takes so long. We have terabytes of data. So it's just more of it's you can only get community volunteers to work with us so often.
I think the people who do come in, participate, definitely see the value because they're the ones who actually go into the archives all the time to get the stuff. And oddly enough, marketing team at the college is the people are the people who use archives the most often. So it's not hard to communicate the value of it. It's hard. It's hard to communicate the time, the labor time involved in creating a good debt, good record.
That's true for all projects. I have found in my life. So I don't know if other people in the audience that's true or not. I always find that doing a job well takes time. And that's it. I don't like the short shrift any kind of project that I put my name to.
It's a good question, Joe. Thank you. Anybody want to add to anything that. Russell said. You see, there's just different perceptions of quality.
Sometimes complex. Agree with that. I think that quality everyone has their where their ideal project will look like. And so it depends on the external stakeholders too. If you have grants in different things with timelines that you need to meet, that is hard. My project in particular was I bought some people at Gail a bottle of wine and a project got digitized.
So that's I had no ad had to meet. No, I didn't have any deadlines to meet. And so that my project is more of a long term thing. But I think I've worked on projects at other places, especially at Duke. When you have faculty members who are knocking on your door every day and asking when the project will be done yours, the quality of your metadata records might change a little bit.
So I think it just depends on the stakeholders, but also then communicating the value to them, especially when you're working with faculty on a digitized project like digital Durham. It's something I worked on a long time ago with a faculty member, and we had to explain to the faculty member that good metadata record and good metadata allows the students to find and accomplish the project that they envisioned a lot better.
So while it took another semester to get the project done, it was well worth it. Indian he has a comment that there might be need for a new standard. Recently I did I held some electronic resources which require multimedia combined together, for instance, interactive online tutorials or courses. As a materials type, I currently just coat them with a generic term e resource, so I feel that we may need a standard for the type of materials.
Sounds like people agree. He added if you want to elaborate a bit more. Or you might want to take a look at the recommended practice that ISO published on Monday on recommendations for video audio metadata. This may or may not address what you're looking for. G, but it was meant not to be a new standard, but to try to bring together existing standards that are already in use for creators and consumers of video and audio types of content to create use cases.
So that creators who might describe their metadata in a particular standard could better communicate with consumers of that metadata. So for some, for example, a vendor that describes its videos in PB core, which is often used in video, I'm not a video person, so I'm just sort of saying the words. But but libraries want to catalog in 21. How can we take the elements and sort of not translate them?
But it kind of create a Rosetta Stone or a way to work with metadata, different types that may help, I don't know, but I think it might be worth looking into and it should be. It's on the ISO home page because we just published it on Monday and I'll put the link to ask where do people find that information? Nice talk. It should be at the bottom, but I'll also put the link in the chat.
OK thank you. Thank you. But I see the problem you're describing. But some. I think as a person who's trying to make materials available, you want to be as. Precise as you can.
Greg added a resource. Yeah, it's interesting to. So Bethany. I know I don't want to put you on the spot, but I wonder if you want you have anything to add to today's discussion, since you did, you know, provide a lot of detail in your presentation.
Yeah, sure. So I come from a public library background and I, I find I often struggle to figure out where public libraries fit in with standards. It's something that I've really struggled with, especially answering that question of what standard should my organization implement or what standard is missing for my organization?
Because I find a lot of what we do is a lot of what we're doing. Say, for example, with e resources doesn't fit in with, I guess like the normal or what's. Current standards. So just coming up with an example. A number of our databases are digital resources.
Are very different. They're not like journals or not newspapers in that sense. They're like small, independent games, like gamification of math or gamification of learning music. And how do you like? What would the standard metric for that be if you're trying to develop a usage statistic metric for it? So Yeah.
I just I've it's been a really interesting kind of journey this whole year. Experiencing meso and learning more about meso and Sanders and just figure out where public libraries and where my organization can fit in with meso and standards and how I can apply standards to my organization. Yeah I think that is it. I would definitely recognize your challenge, Bethany, because we do have we do hear a lot from academic libraries who have their own questions.
And I think over time, unfortunately, academic I'm sorry, public libraries have sort of moved a little bit out of the view. Z 39.7 has always been it's one of the oldest standards and it is one that the public libraries have been most active in, I think, for many of the reasons that you mentioned. And it takes into account the different surveys that everyone kind of gets.
So that's the intent with it. And it's also being revised right now. So hopefully the next time you look at it will be more up to date with kinds of things that you see in your library nowadays rather than the kinds of things that were there 10 years ago. I think the public library's thinking when you're talking about your service, you provide it's even more challenging because, I mean, I'm assuming the service or the population you're trying to serve is much more diverse in many cases than perhaps the academic library.
So trying to fit or trying to meet the needs of all those different people I think will be very challenging. Yeah, exactly. It's a very diverse population, a very vulnerable population. And it's a. It's a very hard population to kind of apply a standard to.
So yeah, it's been really it's been a really interesting year. I've learned so much, though, from being a part of this cohort. So it's been great. That's great to hear. Yeah I think public library, especially today, are so important in our society, you know, and it's you know, it's always disheartening to hear stories that they want.
Places are closing them down because so many places, that's the only, you know, a place where kids can be exposed to different ideas, different stories. And, you know, without the public libraries, then I feel like, you know, our society is just I don't know, I don't want to go down the negative perspective. But, you know, I just remember going to the library all the time when I was a kid.
It's just a big deal. I you know. So anyway, thank you. I'm glad that you're despite the challenges that you're working with nice so and that you're finding ways to get ideas to implement them in your space and hopefully there'll be other, you know, public libraries around that you can that's you're able to bounce ideas off with.
Yeah Yeah. One of the things I find is that at least in my area where I am in Alberta is we tend to. We tend to exist as very separate entities. So we're not really like. Sharing our how we're defining metrics or defining standards.
And so we come up with our own internal standards within our organization. And then I would love to be able to find a way to come up with standards, come up with definitions, and then share them with the other public libraries in the area in the province. Yeah Bethany, I just put a link in the chat. I'm not sure if you've seen this or not, but this is an organization that nisa was involved with a few years ago.
The organization is called measures that matter, but they created a public library data alliance, which is meant to be, I think, even more monumental than individual, like trying to create trying to collect statistics that then can be used to tell stories about libraries impact in communities. And I've lost track of it over the last six months or so. So I'm actually I'm going to read it and try to find out what's going on with it now.
But that just came to mind as something that is in that ballpark. Awesome thank you so much. You're welcome. And I have a question. So how, when, when, when the standards are being created, when the work is being done, like how is currently NISO approaching.
Making creating standards that are taking the effort into considerations like can you create standards that support accessibility. Like, is this something that is thought about? Within within the standards. Can this element of the standard that will bring in more accessibility into that it's a kind of a big it's a big I think of it as a big question.
Let me try to break it down in a couple of ways, but I think there are different, I would say, angles or facets to that. So one way would be are nice, those publications accessible. That is nice. So publishes we are a very small organization, you may have heard there. I think we are probably smaller than any of your organizations. There are now eight of us, but up until a few years ago there were four of us and we create our documents using Microsoft Word and we publish them in PDF.
So that is just barely accessible. But I think there are a lot of things we can do to make them more accessible. So that's something that we're looking into, that's just in the physical access to our outputs. But then in terms of the topics that we cover and then within the topics, the angles or the perspectives that are represented in those. And I think that is an ongoing task and that's something that ISO is looking at.
We have a d-ii, a committee that Mary Lee and Rebecca are part of and others that has then is looking at different aspects of our work, including our events and our standards. So it's an ongoing discussion about what are the kinds of things we are looking at to standardize. And then even within those things, how can the AIA questions or issues be better represented within those?
So if we create a recommended practice for k bar is knowledge bases and related tools, is there a Dia angle to that? Probably yes, there is. But I bet it's buried in different pieces of that. And that does take time to kind of look at and address. So I'm really happy that we're having these discussions and of course, I want to address them as quickly as possible.
But I have to say, I don't know how right off the bat, because we are a small staff, we are looking at, you know, nice publications, cover so many different things. We are definitely not a one topic shop, which is a good and a. Complicated things. And I think that I'm grateful that there's many voices that are helping us to address these.
I don't know if that answers your question. Yes but if you have opinions or ideas, please, please. The door is wide open and we really want to improve. And I didn't mean to kill the discussion because I know you.
I feel like you're on the spot. How do you feel about the discussion of standards from a publishing from your publisher publisher's perspective? Is that putting you on the spot too much? And if you want to. And you're also a 2023 scholar. No, 2022 scholar. 2022 yes.
You're asking me, right? And so from that, from the publisher's perspective standards, I think that I'm just trying to maybe go back to the topic that the people that were presenting was more talking about what is missing. What I'm currently thinking a lot in my work is, is this open access usage. So this is what we've already discussed here and there's plenty of information out there.
You know, how they use that should be measured. And I know that there are a couple of initiatives right now that are happening that are trying to solve this solve this not solve this issue, because this is going to be an ongoing discussion. But trying to give a publisher some recommendation for what to do with that, the usage that is available to us. And how to talk to the stakeholders about this about this usage.
So that's what I am currently focused and I'm sure that there are many other people that are working for dial up that are dealing with other standards that Naso has created. And I might have other comments, but this is what I'm focusing right now within my work. And of course, I'm also interested in accessibility because this is the topic that is close to my heart. So that is why I ask this question, right?
Thank you, Keisha. So anything else from anyone? It's been very interesting for me. I just want to say Thanks to all of you. Rebecca had invited us from the Dia committee to attend the session because she said it was fun and informative and it has been.
And I came just hoping to get some ideas for the committee about ways that we could think about NASA's work differently and and who's feeling excluded or not well supported by the and this has this discussion as far exceeded my expectations. So thank you, Rebecca, for promoting the session to us and Thanks to all of the Scholarship people for participating in the work.
It's super important. Thank you for joining. And yes, thank you for the wonderful scholars for your participating. It was fun. Yeah and I hope this is not the I hope we continue to have these kinds of discussions with you. I know that the Scholarship thing is a yearly thing, but I really enjoy talking with all of you.
And I hope that we can continue the connections. Connections with each other, too. I think that's important. Yeah well, great. I hope everyone's going to be listening to the keynote at 1230. Right isn't that isn't it? Dr. noble. Dr. noble is speaking at 1230.
1230 Eastern time, Eastern time. If you are in a different time zone, it will be the bottom of the hour for you at what, in 25 minutes from now. Yeah, because she saw some. Yeah Yeah. Todd will speak first because we have some NISO awards, and then Dr. noble will speak. OK, great.
Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Take care. By